Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

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RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 4 Ends August 18th

Jeremy1026 said:
I think that Grantm's tunneling on Luispipe8 yesterday kind of clears Luis, at least for a little while.
Definite WIFOM. For now though, I agree.

Why would scum be putting focus on other scum, especially before the vote started to get out of hand. I do however wonder about the rest of the people he claimed use his "ability" on. Specifically those who were in a meeting. I think one of them is scum and he threw them into the mix to try to keep them under the radar in the event that he got lynched.
Again, WIFOM.

Right now, I want to look into this:
When everyone awoke they were surprised to see so many deaths, but at least one was not one of their own. They received the newspaper that morning to find a headline. It called for the lynch of Porygon-X, giving him +3 Vote Count today. In addition, there was a note from the editor which read: “"I'm Jean-Paul Marat. Machamp the Champion is the Royalist in the journalist group.”
Now, either way, it seems we could have a good lynch today.
Well, could. Unless I missed something, there's no confirmation that this group has a seer (or anything of the like), correct? So they could either know something, or this could be a shot in the dark.
On the other hand, this Jean-Paul guy seems to think that MtC is bad. I'll wait to hear from him before questioning him further.
 
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Lenny said:
Nobody should be cleared, whatsoever. Just because someone is not scum does not mean they are not an Invader.

I just think we should give him a day to voice opinions without having every move shoved back down his throat. If he is scum/invader, he needs to make it known through his actions. Not just through his attempts to clear his name from the multiple attacks.
 
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Keeper of Night said:
On the other hand, this Jean-Paul guy seems to think that MtC is bad. I'll wait to hear from him before questioning him further.

I'd like to hear some answers from MtC as well.
 
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Jeremy1026 said:
I just think we should give him a day to voice opinions without having every move shoved back down his throat. If he is scum/invader, he needs to make it known through his actions. Not just through his attempts to clear his name from the multiple attacks.

Oh no don't get me wrong, I agree. Giving people breathing room is fine, but being cautious is even more important. We should listen to what he has to say, but basically what I was saying was never assume someone innocent in a game like this. Maybe I misunderstood your initial post, it's just that whenever anyone says something like "he can't be scum/guilty/etc" it raises a red flag in my head.

While I agree it's likely he isn't scum, he may be an Invader. In a game where calling someone "cleared" can be a little confusing, it's best to be as specific as you can. He is probably (and I emphasize probably, because even clearing someone entirely makes me hesitant) not scum, but being an Invader is in the air. This goes for anyone, I'm not targeting Luispipe8. I'm targeting that type of thinking.

As all of you are saying, I'm currently looking towards MtC for some answers. Luispipe8 doesn't seem like as big of a concern for us at the moment as whatever is going on with the newspaper group.
 
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I'm sorry for not posting in the thread today. I got caught up with a lot of things today, and didn't have time to write up one of my signature "long as hell" posts within the less-than-24-hour-long day phase. If I wasn't leaving for Worlds tomorrow, I would try to be more active in this thread (well, I'll still try to be active, but I'll be very busy with Worlds).

Apparently I've been accused of being the scum member of the newspaper group (the newspaper group is me, Keeper/Athena, Drac, and WanderingWolf/Lugia123). I have no idea why. They never said anything about it in the QT, which seems a little weird to me. You'd think a townie would want to tell the other L'Ami du members that I was a wolf, even if it put them at risk of being night killed.

My guess is the scum member in there was planning on framing me as the scum, since they know people will be going after the newspaper group because of Grant knowing of the newspaper group, and this will detract more attention from them. I could see the wolves doing this, considering the horrible state they're in. All of these people have been inactive in the newspaper group, so I don't really know which of them is scum. Lugia and Drac, you should be more active in this thread. I'm leaning a little more towards Lugia right now. Also, which of you 3 is Jean-Paul?

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We voted for Porygon because we found him kind of scummy, and we wanted to use our vote to put him in the spotlight, as opposed to just voting alex or Luis or someone, which would add no more discussion to what's going on.

Right now, I don't many other leads. I'm still a bit suspicious of alex, but his recent posts seem more town like. Although, he was very good at acting like town in The Members Revolt, so I could easily see him being wolf. Considering I could very well be lynched today, I'll look back through the thread to see if anyone strikes me as suspicious, which should give you guys good leads to go off of once the wolf in the L'Ami du is lynched. I think at this point, we should just lynch L'Ami du members until we get a wolf. We have a pretty darn good lead, so I'm fine with being lynched if it will prove Jean-Paul is a wolf. Also, none of us ever claimed to each other, because we suspected one of us might be a wolf.
 
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Machamp The Champion said:
I'm sorry for not posting in the thread today. I got caught up with a lot of things today, and didn't have time to write up one of my signature "long as hell" posts within the less-than-24-hour-long day phase. If I wasn't leaving for Worlds tomorrow, I would try to be more active in this thread (well, I'll still try to be active, but I'll be very busy with Worlds).

I understand people have lives outside of these forums, as do I. But I make the time through my busy schedule. And I saw you posting around these forums and viewing the thread. Was it that hard to pop in for a few posts? I apologize if this seems insensitive, but I don't buy it. I think it's an excuse.

Apparently I've been accused of being the scum member of the newspaper group (the newspaper group is me, Keeper/Athena, Drac, and WanderingWolf/Lugia123). I have no idea why. They never said anything about it in the QT, which seems a little weird to me. You'd think a townie would want to tell the other L'Ami du members that I was a wolf, even if it put them at risk of being night killed.

If they suspected you to be scum, and let's assume that you are for a second for the sake of the scenario, telling you of their suspicion (or evidence) would only allow you more time to prepare and put them at more risk of being night killed.

My guess is the scum member in there was planning on framing me as the scum, since they know people will be going after the newspaper group because of Grant knowing of the newspaper group, and this will detract more attention from them. I could see the wolves doing this, considering the horrible state they're in. All of these people have been inactive in the newspaper group, so I don't really know which of them is scum. Lugia and Drac, you should be more active in this thread. I'm leaning a little more towards Lugia right now. Also, which of you 3 is Jean-Paul?

This argument goes both ways. What if this Jean-Paul has a seer-like ability that allowed them to see you were scum? Or some other important ability for the town? It might seem shady, but they could be doing it for the sake of the town. Nobody wants to put themselves on the chopping block. Just a possibility.

##ACTIVATE: Lugia123

That's a little hasty, isn't it? All of us had the common courtesy to let you reply before jumping on you. Now you jump so easily onto your mason group buddy? Color me suspicious.

We voted for Porygon because we found him kind of scummy, and we wanted to use our vote to put him in the spotlight, as opposed to just voting alex or Luis or someone, which would add no more discussion to what's going on.

Could you elaborate why you find Porygon-X suspicious? This goes to anyone in the Newspaper group.

Right now, I don't many other leads. I'm still a bit suspicious of alex, but his recent posts seem more town like. Although, he was very good at acting like town in The Members Revolt, so I could easily see him being wolf. Considering I could very well be lynched today, I'll look back through the thread to see if anyone strikes me as suspicious, which should give you guys good leads to go off of once the wolf in the L'Ami du is lynched. I think at this point, we should just lynch L'Ami du members until we get a wolf. We have a pretty darn good lead, so I'm fine with being lynched if it will prove Jean-Paul is a wolf. Also, none of us ever claimed to each other, because we suspected one of us might be a wolf.

You're fine with being lynched? No matter what alignment you are, why would you be fine with being lynched? If you are indeed a townie, then prove it and let's avoid a townie being lynched so we can go after actual scum. You should fight to stay alive in this game as much as you can. Your sudden act of 'nobility' seems like a trick.

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RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 4 Ends August 18th

Lenny said:
I understand people have lives outside of these forums, as do I. But I make the time through my busy schedule. And I saw you posting around these forums and viewing the thread. Was it that hard to pop in for a few posts? I apologize if this seems insensitive, but I don't buy it. I think it's an excuse.

In all WW games I play, I always make really long posts that take anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour to write. I was reading the thread, and got caught up with it once, but I didn't feel like writing a post at the time (or maybe I had to go do something, I forget). I was gonna post later that day, but there was so much I had to read through to get to that point I never got caught up with it before the day ended. Call it scummy, but that's honestly what happened.

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If they suspected you to be scum, and let's assume that you are for a second for the sake of the scenario, telling you of their suspicion (or evidence) would only allow you more time to prepare and put them at more risk of being night killed.

That could have been their thought process, but if they are killed during the night (which is a possibility considering the L'Ami du members were put in the spotlight by Grant), their information will be lost. If they have a Seer power and can tell us who a wolf is, they shouldn't be afraid to be night killed to get a guaranteed lynch on a wolf. Besides, once a wolf goes down in the L'Ami du, the wolves are just going to kill all the other members of the L'Ami du anyway, so they won't live for long. At least if they claim Seer they'll be protected by the doctor tomorrow. Also if they're scum, they aren't going to be killed by the scum, so they would have less of a reason to post about it in the L'Ami du QT.

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This argument goes both ways. What if this Jean-Paul has a seer-like ability that allowed them to see you were scum? Or some other important ability for the town? It might seem shady, but they could be doing it for the sake of the town. Nobody wants to put themselves on the chopping block. Just a possibility.

I'm a little confused as to what you're implying by this. Could you elaborate? Also Jean-Paul is not a Seer, because I'm not a wolf (this is from my point of view, of course).

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That's a little hasty, isn't it? All of us had the common courtesy to let you reply before jumping on you. Now you jump so easily onto your mason group buddy? Color me suspicious.

I was trying to put a pressure vote on him to get a reaction. -_- Which is a good thing to do, by the way.

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Could you elaborate why you find Porygon-X suspicious? This goes to anyone in the Newspaper group.

We didn't have much of a case on him. The paragraph below is what I initially said about him. I need to go to bed soon, so I don't have time to look through all his posts again to see if he's still scummy in my eyes. Also, just to point out, we were gonna put our +3 votes on Porygon yesterday, but we forgot to. -_-

"Porygon's posts seem kind of defensive to me, and don't contribute much. He asked TheGuy early on about if scum get safe claims, and wanted to wait until TheGuy answered, which is a good excuse to not participate in the discussion."

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You're fine with being lynched? No matter what alignment you are, why would you be fine with being lynched? If you are indeed a townie, then prove it and let's avoid a townie being lynched so we can go after actual scum. You should fight to stay alive in this game as much as you can. Your sudden act of 'nobility' seems like a trick.

We're in such a commanding lead over the wolves, and my role isn't that helpful anyway. I'm fine with being lynched if it means we can lynch Jean-Paul. We haven't lynched a single townie yet. Getting 1 townie lynched to get a wolf lynched is a great trade off.

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Replies not in bold. Going to sleep now. Due to going to worlds, I might not have time to be active in this thread, but I will try to get at least 1 post in each day.
 
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 4 Ends August 18th

Wow, only 18 of us left.

After looking up Jean-Paul Marat on google, it seems that he was the founder of the L'Amie du peuple, and was a radical revolutionary. Although the name could have been found by the scum within the group, it would be illogical for TheGuy to make the newspaper without including it's real life founder. If the editor was the one who posted the message and the editor was Jean-Paul Marat, that would suggest that the person who wrote that message is town.
 
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Hey, I'm at worlds with limited access to the internet.

So I'm being accused because I asked TheGuy a question and it made it a good excuse not to post while waiting for an answer. During that time if I had anything to say, I would have said it. If I don't post anything I'm either busy or whatever I wanted to say has already been said.
 
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oh.
That was... pretty big.
I'm guessing that MTC has some reason for being targeted: either the journalist is telling the truth or someone's trying to frame him.
Though...
we should just lynch L'Ami du members until we get a wolf
That comes across as pretty scummy to me, mainly because of the fact that you're suggesting we just kill a bunch of townies to kill a wolf. Sure, that kills a wolf (maybe), but do keep in mind that in the meantime, maybe 4? townies are going to die, by suggested lynch and NKs. Bad idea.

Would it be a good idea to share my results or not? I mean, given that I believe I'm essentially confirmed now that grant was scum...
 
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Ok, if I understood correctly the first posts, you guys want me to confirm EVEN FURTHER my role? :/ Well, I'm gonna see what I can do. FYI, I'm off to class and other errands, and won't be back into a PC in around 13-14 hours from now, but I will be reading through mobile to keep up with the discussion so I can post accordingly tonight.
 
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Ice Espeon said:
Wow, only 18 of us left.

After looking up Jean-Paul Marat on google, it seems that he was the founder of the L'Amie du peuple, and was a radical revolutionary. Although the name could have been found by the scum within the group, it would be illogical for TheGuy to make the newspaper without including it's real life founder. If the editor was the one who posted the message and the editor was Jean-Paul Marat, that would suggest that the person who wrote that message is town.

This. Even though MtC's last post was pretty townlike, I say we follow the editor who is very likely to be town. We could really use some posts from the other 3 journalists.
 
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alex said:
This. Even though MtC's last post was pretty townlike, I say we follow the editor who is very likely to be town. We could really use some posts from the other 3 journalists.

*shrug*
As far as I know, there weren't any reports of confo-scum in our convos. In fact, it was MtC that pointed out that one of us could be scum.
Whoever the editor is, maybe he knows more than we do.
 
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Night 3 Ends August 13th

Quotes and thoughts incoming.
TheGuy said:
Teal was:

Louis Antoine de Saint-Just [Teal]
When the National Convention was first called, you were its youngest member. In addition, you were also a well-known military leader for the new French Republic.

Passive Effect: Committee of Public Safety
As a leading Jacobin you may access the all-town Committee of Public Safety and converse with its members.

Ability: A Well Disciplined Army
Each night you may PM me the name of a player. If that player is an invading Austrian or Prussian they will die.

Win Condition: Town Wins

Okay we know there's a newspaper group that's supposed to be mason, but looking at Teal's passive effect, there's another one, apparently --- The Committee of Public Safety. Is it?

rev3rsor said:
Would it be a good idea to share my results or not? I mean, given that I believe I'm essentially confirmed now that grant was scum...

IMO it is up to you. Even if the information isn't useful now, it might be in the future, and you've already done it once. If you want to feel safer, I suggest waiting for a majority answer?

So we're sorting out the newspaper group mess, huh. From the chaotic state of things I'm inclined to believe that there really is at least one wolf in the group, trying to create confusion through that discrepancy on voting Porygon-X and then the accusation on Machamp the Champion. However I disagree with the suggestion of voting/killing all of them one-by-one. A lot of time will be wasted, and the loss of at least two town members is not a sacrifice that's worth it.

It's also likely that one of the four members is indeed the editor, Jean-Paul. As the head and founder, he must have higher authority, and this most likely translates to his role too --- The +3 vote count looks like an effect/ability attributed to the group, which they decide on... But I think the announcement is unique to Jean-Paul as a sign of his authority. So that would make it the discretion of only one person. Who is suspicious of Machamp the Champion it seems. Does he really know Machamp's true alignment (if so, does he have seer-like abilities that enabled him to know), or is this some sort of trap/trick to lure out the true wolf? Either way, we can't take the announcement at face value, but we can't dismiss it either. Because if it is, then Machamp's a good lynch candidate for the day.
 
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Keeper of Night said:
As far as I know, there weren't any reports of confo-scum in our convos. In fact, it was MtC that pointed out that one of us could be scum.

This makes me a little more comfortable voting him. While a town might not think of that (at least early in the game), a wolf would always be thinking about it and would think that him saying it would get it out of the way and make him seem more town-like.
 
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If what is said about Jean Paul on the internet is really linked to the role here. It is very unlikely for him to be a wolf. So i do believe that whoever this editor might be he is town and may have an ability that let him gain knowledge that none of us journalist knew.

And about the Porygon-X vote, i was just following the others since it wouldn't make a difference if i was the only one picking another name
 
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I'm more inclined to believe the newspaper has a seering ability - possibly the reporter - and maybe they just got lucky. However, I do not feel comfortable about the whole lynch they called for, as Porygon-X has been off the radar. Yes, this might mean he's scum, but what if by the off chance that the scum in the group is scapegoating everyone?
 
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Where is everybody? There are 18 players still in this game and things are super quiet.
 
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 4 Ends August 18th

^ I guess its because overnight we lost Drohn and Celever, the two most active people in this thread. Also, Worlds.

If no more information comes forward, then I guess our best option is a vote against MtC.
 
RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 4 Ends August 18th

Ugh, I hate it when I'm working on a post and it gets deleted. Time to retype it all from memory...

It's good to see that an invader was taken down last night, but three townies for one scum isn't the best of exchanges. What really interested me was that Teal was killed by the invaders immediately after. Was that just an unlucky coincidence, or the result of an invader's ability/passive effect? I guess we'll have to find out later on down the road.

As for the accusation of Machamp the Champion, I'm on the fence. I'd be more likely to believe it if there was some sort of indication that the person knew for sure, like rev3rsor was when he protected Lenny from being killed. If the message was more like “I'm Jean-Paul Marat. I seered Machamp the Champion, and he is the Royalist in the journalist group," then we'd have a bit more to go off. But right now, since the announcer hasn't revealed themself to the rest of the town, we don't know whether it was based off of a hunch, a direct result, or some form of ruse. On that note though, I'd advise the announcer to remain anonymous - after all, the messages are borderline useless if we already know the source.

I haven't made up my mind yet, so I'm going to do a bit of detective work in the thread before I make any decisions.

Also, there are way too many people who have posted almost nothing, or at the least, very sporadically. I don't have to list who you are, as we all already know, but just try and contribute, okay? Lurking isn't an admirable way to win, whether you're town or scum.
 
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