Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

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TT, maybe there was a word limit on how long the message could be, and maybe Jean-Paul prioritised elements of it so it could fit in the message. Also, the fact that the newspaper hasn't written anything before (IIRC) would indicate that some important information had come to light.
 
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I doubt that the word count would have been an issue. They could have easily added the information without shortening the message, just like so:

Original message: “I'm Jean-Paul Marat. Machamp the Champion is the Royalist in the journalist group." (13 words)

Possible message: "I'm Jean-Paul Marat. I seered Machamp. He's the Royalist in the journalist group." (13 words)

The announcer could have just not thought to include that bit of information, but if they had direct evidence that he was scum, how could they leave something so important out? I'm not dismissing it entirely though, because the announcer's suspicions could still be true. If they're another member of the newspaper mason chat, as I'm assuming they are, they must be in a better position than the rest of us to judge the scumminess level of MtC.
 
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Ice Espeon said:
TT, maybe there was a word limit on how long the message could be, and maybe Jean-Paul prioritised elements of it so it could fit in the message. Also, the fact that the newspaper hasn't written anything before (IIRC) would indicate that some important information had come to light.

It's also possible that the newspaper headline may be a one time use ability.
 
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Jeremy1026 said:
Ice Espeon said:
TT, maybe there was a word limit on how long the message could be, and maybe Jean-Paul prioritised elements of it so it could fit in the message. Also, the fact that the newspaper hasn't written anything before (IIRC) would indicate that some important information had come to light.

It's also possible that the newspaper headline may be a one time use ability.

Again, I have to doubt that. All the announcers in all of the past games that I've played in or seen have been able to post every night, usually with some sort of word count restriction. Having a one-shot message as an ability seems... underwhelming, to be honest.
 
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Machamp, I just saw you viewing the thread. Care to make any comments?
 
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Wow, I really thought that I'll have a lot to catch up with, but this is as quiet as a funeral. Or wait, are we having one for Drohn and Celever?

I'm still combing the latest post to see if there's something I can input discussion to, but let me just remind something before I forget:

Grant was lying about his Ability:
Role said:
Jean Sylvain Bailly [grantm1999]
Initially President of the 3rd Estate you administered the original Tennis Court Oaths. Now you’ve taken up a different position, mayor of Paris – but it doesn’t seem that you have much control of the town.

Ability: The View from the Mayor’s Mansion.
Each night you may PM the name of one player. You will learn who they came into contact with that night. (Who they targeted and who targeted them.)

Ability: Get Out the Vote!
Each night you may PM me the name of a player. If that player votes for you to be lynched your first ability will be doubled the next night. This ability may only be activated twice.

Win Condition: Town Wins


Role said:
King Louis XVI [grantm1999]
Inheriting a huge debt problem, you decided that the best thing to solve it would be trying to fight another war in America. When that didn’t work – you’re rule was threatened. Now you’re trying to get it back.

Passive Effect: Can’t Find Me
Anyone who tries to see your role will instead see you as your safe claim.

Ability: Alpha Werewolf
Each night you may PM me the name of two players (One Royal Sympathizer [ie Not yourself or Marie Antoinette] and One Non-Royal Sympathizer). The Royal Sympathizer will kill the Non-Royal Sympathizer.

Win Condition: Scum Wins

Rendering all of this obsolete:

grantm1999 said:
These were all the ones I could find, they don't have much detail. These are all seperate PMs, the messages directly copy/pasted.

Camoclone visited and inspected Luispipe8.

Athena visited and met with Machamp the Champion, WanderingWolf, and GM Draclord.

Your attempt to view Celever failed.

Your attempt to target Drohn failed.

This, was most possibly just a way to throw attention off of him and into me, claiming that Camo Seered me(because this was posted after Camo's Seering Ability was revealed, so it could adapt easily to drive attention off of him). FOR WHAT WE KNOW, it could be that the Newspaper group it's not really them. If Grant mentioned those names, then he must knew for sure they were on the Newspaper, and to know that, they had to be Wolves. That could be the explanation to the weird headline that promoted Porygon-X's Lynch but still mentioned that MtC was a Wolf. I'm thinking that either:

a) MtC was always at the Wolves sight and it's being targeted just now so WE Lynch him, where the Editor is a Wolf and the group was targeting the Editor instead(not very possible, but still a chance).
b)The people who Grant mentioned in that post are Wolves and he wanted to drive attention off of him or the other Wolves and into the town.(This is the most likely and the one I'm leaning to).

As of now, I'm still doubting MTC could be a Wolf because the Editor could simply change the Wolf's name and place a bait Townie instead, giving Porygon-X 3 votes to distract us and focus on Machamp. However, it's the best lead we have given Grant's previous posts.

##Vote: [mod]Machamp The Champion[/mod]

Ps.: I hope I made my point, it's sort of messy. :p
 
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In my last 2 posts, I kind of forgot that Jean-Paul could've very well just thought I was scummy, and he may not be a Seer accusing me of being a wolf.

Ice Espeon said:
After looking up Jean-Paul Marat on google, it seems that he was the founder of the L'Amie du peuple, and was a radical revolutionary. Although the name could have been found by the scum within the group, it would be illogical for TheGuy to make the newspaper without including it's real life founder. If the editor was the one who posted the message and the editor was Jean-Paul Marat, that would suggest that the person who wrote that message is town.

Grant had a real life person who was very famous as his safe claim. Maybe all the wolves have safe claims like that? I don't know. Just putting that out there.

rev3rsor said:
That comes across as pretty scummy to me, mainly because of the fact that you're suggesting we just kill a bunch of townies to kill a wolf. Sure, that kills a wolf (maybe), but do keep in mind that in the meantime, maybe 4? townies are going to die, by suggested lynch and NKs. Bad idea.

(This goes out to everyone who said something like this.) Uuuuuuuuuuh but we will most likely hit the wolf within 1-2 tries. I highly doubt we will mislynch 2 or 3 times here. We know there's a wolf within us 4, so what reason do we have not to try and lynch them?

rev3rsor said:
Would it be a good idea to share my results or not? I mean, given that I believe I'm essentially confirmed now that grant was scum...

You were never very clear on what exactly your role does, so I don't know. If it gives away that a townie (or potential townie) has powers, don't.

Also I looked at all of Porygon's posts again (can't remember what that's called). Here's my thoughts:

Porygon-X said:
##FalconPunch: Kecleon-X

He has been scum in literally every game I can think of. :p

RVS.

Porygon-X said:
Anyway, with Drohn proving Luispipe's point and Luispipe's role reveal I'm more inclined to believe Luispipe is town. The role seems believable to me, especially considering that it's a bartender, and if TheGuy knows his French Revolution history (which I believe he does) he would know that having a bartender who instead of not serving royal sympathizers doesn't serve revolution sympathizers is impossible. The whole thing about taxes is also backing him up, the wincon is correct, and Drohn really can't vote.

These are exactly my thoughts, especially about the wincon that was previously unknown. However, if the scum has a safe claim for everyone, this is all kinda moot and Luispipe will receive my vote.

##TheGuy, do the wolves get a safe claim with their role?

Like I said earlier, asking a question like this makes it easier to go under the radar and post less. The rest of the post is kind of uninspired and doesn't sound like town to me.

Porygon-X said:
Holy cow that was a lot of posts.

Ok, so TheGuy answered my question; the scum gets an example town role. Because of this, Luis could very well be a wolf based on the nature of his role (could be a town role or a scum role), his weird reactions to camoclone's accusations, and his really late claim. In my last post I said I would vote for Luis if TheGuy answered yes to my question, but since then, Drohn/PMJ brought up good points about SF.

We have a few hours left. I'll hold my vote till the day gets closer to the end, but right now I'm leaning toward a SF lynch.

Remaining pretty neutral on the Luis lynch (which most likely wasn't happening at that point), and jumping on the SF wagon pretty abruptly to avoid suspicion (PMJ might've told him to jump on the wagon with him after he did).

Porygon-X said:
Celever said:
Why do you favour SF over alex? Just wondering.

Nice timing though! :p

SF's bandwagoning, and in my opinion SF just seems scummier than alex when reading over their posts.

Camoclone, even when I'm hopped up on painkillers and oxycotin, I still see your tells. You said you have info on why you tunneled Luis, now please, do tell.

Camoclone didn't have any info, it was all a stunt to see how Luis reacted.

First paragraph is pretty bland reasoning. Second paragraph is answering a simple question, which is a common wolf tactic to act like they're contributing.

Porygon-X said:
I will go ahead and vote now to avoid the tie in case the day ends soon.

##UnfalconPunch: Kecleon-X
##Scorch: Scorched Feathers

Okay, I guess.

Porygon-X said:
Whoa, a lot happened while I was asleep! I was not expecting PMJ to be a wolf at all, so it's fortunate he was killed. From the flavor, it does in fact appear as if the alpha wolf was roleblocked, so I'm inclined to believe rev3ersor.

##GGSCUM: grantm1999

Really bland and uninspired (running our of synonyms for uninspired :p).

Porygon-X said:
Hey, I'm at worlds with limited access to the internet.

So I'm being accused because I asked TheGuy a question and it made it a good excuse not to post while waiting for an answer. During that time if I had anything to say, I would have said it. If I don't post anything I'm either busy or whatever I wanted to say has already been said.

Okay.

Looking back at his posts, he does seem kinda scummy, more so than he usually is, honestly. I would still prefer to lynch one of the L'Ami du members, but you guys should pay attention to him once I'm dead (even if I'm not lynch, which seems unlikely at this point, I'll die of nightkill for being confirmed town).
 
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So far a lot of doubt has been raised to on MtC, but no real defense has been raised.

##provoke Machamp the Champ
 
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TwistedTurtwig said:
Jeremy1026 said:
It's also possible that the newspaper headline may be a one time use ability.

Again, I have to doubt that. All the announcers in all of the past games that I've played in or seen have been able to post every night, usually with some sort of word count restriction. Having a one-shot message as an ability seems... underwhelming, to be honest.


I have to agree with TT on this. Pretty sure making it a one night thing is making the ability too weak. Maybe

1) There's a limit on the total amount of notes he can post
2) or he/she didn't have any valuable/useful information to say.

I don't see TheGuy want to contradict the name of Jean Paul and make him wolfy for his game just to fool around with us
 
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The Current Vote Count is:

Porygon-X 3 {Newspaper}
Lugia123 1 {Machamp the Champion}
Machamp the Champion 2 {Luispipe8, Jeremy1026}
 
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I'm afraid I have to drop out. Long live the revolution!
 
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Lugia123 said:
I'm afraid I have to drop out. Long live the revolution!

That's a bummer, I assume this is probably due to Worlds or something. Hopefully you get replaced and this game doesn't get hurt due to inactivity.

In regards to the actual game, I think I've seen what I need to see:

##thedecision: Machamp the Champion
 
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Having read back, I admit that MtC seems a bit scummy, however, I'm not inclined to vote for him yet. I'd like to hear a proper defense from him. Besides, it's still early. There's no need to rush to decisions.
 
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Machamp The Champion said:
Ice Espeon said:
After looking up Jean-Paul Marat on google, it seems that he was the founder of the L'Amie du peuple, and was a radical revolutionary. Although the name could have been found by the scum within the group, it would be illogical for TheGuy to make the newspaper without including it's real life founder. If the editor was the one who posted the message and the editor was Jean-Paul Marat, that would suggest that the person who wrote that message is town.
Grant had a real life person who was very famous as his safe claim. Maybe all the wolves have safe claims like that? I don't know. Just putting that out there.
I would find it strange for the safe-claim for a wolf to be the real life editor of the game's newspaper, especially since TheGuy said it was the editor who posts the message.


If the message was a limited use thing, then that gives more confirmation that they were sure of their decision. If the message was written by scum, then it would be strange to reveal their name like that.

At the moment we know that someone in the newspaper group was a wolf, and the best lead we have right now is that it is Machamp.

Therefore: ##Vote: Machamp the Champion
 
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##vote: Machamp the Champion
 
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Lugia123 said:
I'm afraid I have to drop out. Long live the revolution!

Since sillykyle! is to return tomorrow he will sub in for Lugia123. Also, I'm extending the day to August 20th at 11:59 PM EST due to so many players being at Worlds this weekend.
 
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Unless I missed something MtC, you're kind if going offensive on Porygon instead of defending yourself.
Obviously, if you die today, we'll go after Porygon, but better to be safe than sorry. The editor could very well be a seer.
##VOTE: Machamp The Champion
 
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I've presented my suspicions and evidence before, and since nothing has changed in the meantime to make me reconsider, it's time to

##GUILLOTINE: Machamp the Champion
 
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Keeper of Night said:
The editor could very well be a seer.

I'm not saying I'm leaning to it(I already made my vote and I'm not changing it unless something extraordinary happens), but the Seer could very well be anyone else in the group, the Editor being the Wolf. That way it could distract us. I believe that if MtC flips Scum, then we're safe from the newspaper from now. But if he doesn't, we most probably have to take them until we find the Wolf. Either that, or keep getting headlines that could mess with us.
 
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If MtC does flip wolf, would it make sense to then search the Public Safety Comittee or whatever the name of the group Teal was in for an Invader? It would make sense, gameplay wise, if there was a mole for each of the scum teams in both of the town's largest mason groups. I may be completely off, but it could be worth looking into tomorrow. As far as I know, no one has revealed the other members of that group, right?
 
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