Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

[TwistedTurtwig]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

They're not the only one who would prefer that you claim. Don't make it seem like Keeper of Night is the only one suspicious of you when it's clear that many of the other players have found your actions to be majorly suspicious.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

Sorry, I'm not claiming because 1 person is too short-sighted to see past this day.

That's not fair to say, and you know it.
Jackal won't live long enough to check you. He has to take the chance of surviving two nights, just to give us an ability name? You're still not clear even then.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

As long as we have a priest, which we should have no reason not to, he is going to live. And sorry, 2 people.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

As long as we have a priest, which we should have no reason not to, he is going to live. And sorry, 2 people.

Then my point stands, you're not clear even then. Why chance it? You say you're useful to us, why? How are you more useful than Jackal (who actually has results)?
How can you be so sure, even if we do have a doctor/priest to protect Jackal, that you will live that long?

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

It would be stupid of both the Invaders or the wolves to kill me considering I am under suspicion for both and have an unknown Survival ability.

 

[TwistedTurtwig]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

Sorry, I'm not claiming because 1 person is too short-sighted to see past this day.

OBJECTION!

Either reveal to us what it does, role reveal entirely, or risk being lynched today.

Now that you say it, it does look like some role that some/the most highly-ranked Invader would have: Immunity to kills under certain circumstances, double vote weight... I think that a Lynch on alex is really worth it, specially because we've Lynched only Scum, so our hunches seem to pay off. Besides, if alex miraculously flips Town, his role will most probably give us information.

You claim to have two abilities, one of which is "very powerful" and the other "helps you survive." We already know you have double votes, so where does that come in? You seem to be patching this story as you go to make yourself seem valuable to the town.
At this point, full claim please. You're either scum, or the scum already know that you're powerful.

This. Something protected KoN last night, if you reveal to be legitimate town, perhaps the same can protect you as well.

alex why are you still reluctant to reveal. you are just digging your own grave

Also when you say you'll reveal when you the last royalist is killed, you make it sound like that will be very soon, but it probably won't. We've gotten very lucky hitting Royalists with our lynches, but it might be a while before we can kill the last one.
Essentially, your whole argument for not lynching you is that we should wait, but without that much other evidence, it seems like you're the best to vote for right now.

And don't forget me! That makes at least seven people who have pushed for you to claim. And yet you still refuse to.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

it isn't worth keeping you alive on the off chance Jackal does survive long enough to target you and reveal your other ability.

"it isn't worth keeping me alive"

Lol. I was gonna list all the reasons why it is so not not worth keeping me alive but then I decided not to bother. And along those lines, I'm not even going bother repeating all the reasons I have already posted in my defense.

I missed this before.
I have yet to see a reasonable defense from you. The closest you got to a defense was "I have a powerful second ability, don't lynch me."
Well, let's focus on that for a minute, and don't change the subject this time. We know your first ability is called "Survival" (or along those lines, I'll look back later), and then you have this second ability. That's all you claim.
So where does the second vote come into play? You're obviously lying right there. Either your second ability is double votes (in which case, that's not good enough reason to keep you around, any faction could have that), or your survival ability is double votes (which I doubt, given the name). In either case, claiming is your best option.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

I gain a vote count every day starting at -1, and capping at 6.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

I gain a vote count every day starting at -1, and capping at 6.

Um... Great? This doesn't change my opinion of you at all.
Which ability is this? Survival? Doubtful. You oh-so-powerful ability? Kind of over-hyped.
And you could have made that up. It's rather vague and sudden.

And assuming you are telling the truth about this (I'm pretty sure you are, since you wouldn't claim something so easily disproved), if you are scum, that's a really bad ability for us to leave out there. In fact, the fact that you start at -1 probably proves you're scum, since it would balance with a kill each night (presumably). A town with only that would start at 0 or 1 probably, due to only having that to work with.

To sum it up, I still want a full claim. This little bit of information makes me want you gone all the more.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

In fact, the fact that you start at -1 probably proves you're scum, since it would balance with a kill each night (presumably). A town with only that would start at 0 or 1 probably, due to only having that to work with.

Lol, what?

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

In fact, the fact that you start at -1 probably proves you're scum, since it would balance with a kill each night (presumably). A town with only that would start at 0 or 1 probably, due to only having that to work with.

Lol, what?

It's just as probable as you having the ability in the first place, but as I said, I believe you do.
So all that leaves is your full claim. Don't try to change the subject anymore, it's extremely scummy how evasive you're being.

 

[Lenny]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

No offense alex, but the way you've been acting as we target you has come off a little condescending. Like we're all so stupid that we don't realize how you're so clearly town. And you know what, there is a chance that you're town. But you're not doing a particularly good job at trying to convince us and you're just saying "lol what" to some legitimate points. Your evasiveness to claim is also suspicious, because if there is a priest, why don't they just save you if your role is so "OP" instead of going and using Chaos Jackal? I really don't understand. I know you want to stay alive, but you're not doing a good job telling us why we should keep you alive other than saying you have a super powerful role. If the priest can save Chaos Jackal, he can save you too if your role is that important to the town.

If you flip town, I'm going to be rather disappointed because you basically dug your own grave and haven't been playing very town-like. I think voting for you is the smartest option right now. Why you're so reluctant to claim is beyond me. If you've got nothing to hide, then reveal.

##welp: alex

As for Ice Espeon's evidence on Kecleon-X, I think we should definitely consider it if things change against alex or the next day.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

I said that because I didn't understand it at all. First off, it doesn't even correspond with the scum kill. That would only happen if I started at 0. And second it just doesn't even make sense. How does the number of votes I start with have any correspondence to my alignment?

And here ya go. Guess there's no way I'm not getting lynched without it.

Napoleon Bonaparte [alex]
Recently graduated, you have become a large figure in the French army as they fight the invading Prussians and Austrians. Your goal is to become head general of the army, however some think you have bigger plans...

Passive Effect: Survival
Any attacks from Invaders against your life will fail.

Passive Effect #2: Climbing the Ladder of Success
On Day One your vote weight is negative one. Every successive day your vote weight will increase by one, to a maximum of six.

Win Condition: Town wins

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

Sorry for being such a dick today, I didn't have the best morning.

 

[TwistedTurtwig]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

I've been waiting for someone to claim Napoleon!

Will a rising general, Napoleon Bonaparte, choose to lead the French Republic to Victory and unite the people or take himself to be emperor going against the very essence of the revolution?

I highly doubt that's your entire role alex. You could be town-aligned at the present, but you're more than likely a townie that turns into some sort of scum or serial killer at some point.

 

[TwistedTurtwig]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

Sorry for being such a richard today, I didn't have the best morning.

No worries. Everyone has tough days from time to time, so we understand.

 

[alex]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

It is my entire role. If it hadn't been, I wouldn't have been so comfortable (and still want him to to confirm my role) with CJ targeting me.

I did some research too when I got the role, and at the time of this game (1792), Napoleon was not making any moves towards overthrowing the government, he was just living his life in the military.

 

[Lenny]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

I believe you, alex. Because of that, I'm going to unvote you and vote for the next best lead I think we've got. I was hesitant about TwistedTurtwig's rebuttal especially because it was a direct quote from TheGuy, but for now, I think that is your entire role or you would not have been comfortable with Chaos Jackal. For now, I think I believe you. If evidence arises in the future that says otherwise I may change my vote again, but at the moment, I think you are telling the truth.

##unwelp: alex

##sorrynotsorry: Kecleon-X

 

[Lenny]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

oh man there's a lot going on here
alex seems to be pretty evasive, which could be to protect himself or hide his identity.
Ice Espeon's made a really comprehensive case against Kecleon-X too, which I agree with after reading; there isn't much to add.

Hey rev3rsor, did you by any chance use your ability on someone and get any information?

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Day 5 Ends August 26th

I said that because I didn't understand it at all. First off, it doesn't even correspond with the scum kill. That would only happen if I started at 0. And second it just doesn't even make sense. How does the number of votes I start with have any correspondence to my alignment?
Not much, just a hunch. Seems silly for a town to start with -1 votes and cap at 6.

And here ya go. Guess there's no way I'm not getting lynched without it.

Napoleon Bonaparte [alex]
Recently graduated, you have become a large figure in the French army as they fight the invading Prussians and Austrians. Your goal is to become head general of the army, however some think you have bigger plans...

Passive Effect: Survival
Any attacks from Invaders against your life will fail.
Against your life?

Passive Effect #2: Climbing the Ladder of Success
On Day One your vote weight is negative one. Every successive day your vote weight will increase by one, to a maximum of six.
Makes sense, as I said. Doesn't mean the rest of your role is true.

Win Condition: Town wins

Napoleon huh?
Makes perfect sense to me, with that ability. You're gaining power each day you're left alive.
At this point, I doubt very much you are a royalist. However, I want to look at the possibility of you being an indie. My suspicion is you either are an indie already, or you switch win-cons when your vote count is high enough (whether it maxes at 6 or not).

It is my entire role. If it hadn't been, I wouldn't have been so comfortable (and still want him to to confirm my role) with CJ targeting me.
That makes no sense.

I did some research too when I got the role, and at the time of this game (1792), Napoleon was not making any moves towards overthrowing the government, he was just living his life in the military.

There's no set date for this game, really (that I noticed, correct me if I'm wrong). Ok, so in that particular year Napoleon was made a captain of the military. However, we all know what he did after that.
Let us review what else happened in 1792:
"The First French Republic lasted from 1792 to 1804, when its First Consul, Napoléon Bonaparte, was declared Emperor of the French."
-Wikipedia

I'm not risking it.