Finished Werewolf XXII: The Reign of Terror - Town Wins

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Jeremy1026 said:
Also, extra votes, especially near the end of the game is huge. You can potentially single handedly lynch someone come Day 7 or 8. That is huge.

Exactly my point. He could ninja everyone and just end the day immediately with one vote, killing those he wants to with no one else getting a say in the matter. Luis' role was made to nerf alex's, and from a gameplay perspective I can totally get why TheGuy did that.

But my question still stands. Why make a role to nerf someone else's role who is on the same side as the former? Seems rather... Counterproductive. Doesn't add up.
 
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Well, potentially a Vote Blocker can be a Town role(which I claimed Day 1... e.e), and someone that gets more power as the days go by AND Immunity to one of the factions is potentially a Wolf Role.
 
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I'm just going to get all the reasons why it is so hard for me to be a wolf in one place:

1) When the lynch was between me and a wolf, 3/4 wolves were voting me and PMJ was being PMJ.
2) Napoleon Bonaparte supported the Revolution and was definitely not a Royalist.
3) Since I would be the last wolf, I would have the Alpha Wolf ability. If I did, not only would Chaos Jackal have had a 1/3 chance of finding it originally but I would certainly not be asking him to target me AGAIN. This should be the most convincing one.

Points 2 and 3 go for me being an Invader as well, assuming Invaders all have the special kill ability. And also, my Survival ability protects me from Invaders, so no way I can really be one with that ability.

Now obviously if you wanted to you can easily find counters to each of these points I made. But that doesn't change the fact, that when you add it all together to paint a picture, it should seem highly unlikely for me to be a wolf.

Kecleon-X said:
Exactly my point. He could ninja everyone and just end the day immediately with one vote, killing those he wants to with no one else getting a say in the matter. Luis' role was made to nerf alex's, and from a gameplay perspective I can totally get why TheGuy did that.

But my question still stands. Why make a role to nerf someone else's role who is on the same side as the former? Seems rather... Counterproductive. Doesn't add up.

Like you said yourself, would that not be so extremely overpowered on any role that wasn't town? If Luis was killed early, and I was an Invader/Wolf, I would pretty much just have to survive till around Day 7 and then I autowin it for my team. And it wouldn't be too hard to do that either because of my Survival ability. Just think about it, the only way this role would be balanced would be if it were on a town role. Luis role was not necessarily made with my role in mind. Many games have vote-reducing roles.
 
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And sorry, I thought before Luis' role was -1, I didn't realize that it actually did put the count to 0.
 
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Why are we not considering that alex could be not aligned with either of the two scum factions? Napoleon certainly doesn't fit in with the royalists or the invaders, at least flavor wise. I do think that he's town right now, or was town at some point, but will convert or has converted to an indie when certain conditions were met. Kind of like the role of Ash in PMJ's one game, where after he died he came back self-aligned. I don't think that's the exact same case here, and that alex will be resurrected, but having a powerful town role that eventually defects is nothing new. In any case, I still think that he should be lynched.
 
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Ok, I've been thinking this through really well, and I think it's needed to say. In a more private way it could be good, but since town lacks those, here I go:
Let's not Lynch alex. Why? Well, if he's Town, we'll see tonight, because Wolves won't take a chance to let the town win and let him stay alive. If the Wolves targeted alex tonight, we'll know. And in the case he's a Wolf, he will NOT be targeted tonight, re we can simply contain him via Abilities if he were to do a quick kill tomorrow. What I'm saying is, alex is not worth Lynching YET. Let's Lynch someone we actually have a solid lead like Kecleon, as Ice Espeon pointed out he's acted very suspiciously. If either Kecleon or whoever we decide on Lynching dies instead and alex survives the night, we'll have a secure hit tomorrow. Thoughts?
 
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Since you do believe that I am town, at least for the moment, then like Ice Espeon has been saying we should be focusing on finding the last wolf. Then after we remove that threat, we'll be down to only 1 kill a night (whether you think I'm town or not, I'm not hurting anyone) and can come back to me of you want. Hell, Chaos Jackal can even target me again once I hit 6 votes if he wants to.
 
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Ninja'd by Luis.

That is faulty logic, Luis. The wolf won't target me tonight for the exact reason you said, if I love tomorrow you will just lynch me anyways. It would be stupid of them to lynch me, especially after you made a post like that.
 
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alex said:
I'm just going to get all the reasons why it is so hard for me to be a wolf in one place:

1) When the lynch was between me and a wolf, 3/4 wolves were voting me and PMJ was being PMJ. I assume this is the Scorched lynch of Day 1? I might take another look at your numbers there, considering only two people were on that wagon. But I get your point here, though to be fair that could also have been bussing. (Also, how do you know this is the last wolf?)

2) Napoleon Bonaparte supported the Revolution and was definitely not a Royalist. No, actually, apparently he didn't. He supported some of the ideals, but only the ones that supported his own needs.

The link I'm about to share said:
To put it in simple terms: Napoleon Bonaparte was an overall foe of the French Revolution. He has some idea which supported the Revolutionary philosophies, but his practice generally rejected them. His authoritative ruling behavior did not adhere very much to the idea of a republic, as he generally executed law based on self-interest rather than the interest of the people.

Source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/13243653/Napoelon-Friend-or-Foe-of-the-French-Revolution


3) Since I would be the last wolf, I would have the Alpha Wolf ability. If I did, not only would Chaos Jackal have had a 1/3 chance of finding it originally but I would certainly not be asking him to target me AGAIN. This should be the most convincing one. Then perhaps Chaos did target you last night. Maybe he has his results, perchance?

Points 2 and 3 go for me being an Invader as well, assuming Invaders all have the special kill ability. And also, my Survival ability protects me from Invaders, so no way I can really be one with that ability. This is true.

Now obviously if you wanted to you can easily find counters to each of these points I made. But that doesn't change the fact, that when you add it all together to paint a picture, it should seem highly unlikely for me to be a wolf. This is agreeable, however this does not change the fact that the newspaper also voted for you. This group can be assumed that they are now town-based, considering the fact they outed the wolf among them. (Heh. Too much Telltale) This is something we should all take into consideration.

Kecleon-X said:
Exactly my point. He could ninja everyone and just end the day immediately with one vote, killing those he wants to with no one else getting a say in the matter. Luis' role was made to nerf alex's, and from a gameplay perspective I can totally get why TheGuy did that.

But my question still stands. Why make a role to nerf someone else's role who is on the same side as the former? Seems rather... Counterproductive. Doesn't add up.

Like you said yourself, would that not be so extremely overpowered on any role that wasn't town? If Luis was killed early, and I was an Invader/Wolf, I would pretty much just have to survive till around Day 7 and then I autowin it for my team. And it wouldn't be too hard to do that either because of my Survival ability. Just think about it, the only way this role would be balanced would be if it were on a town role. Luis role was not necessarily made with my role in mind. Many games have vote-reducing roles.

No, dude, Luis' role was made to make yours not overpowered. I've hosted a game before, and I know all about nerfing. But I will wait until Chaos Jackal gets here so he can share his results, in which case my vote will be thoroughly placed.


@Chaos_Jackal: Please share the results you have gained from targeting alex.
 
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alex's points are valid and I think that he might not be the best one to vote for at the moment, so ##UNVOTE: alex
I'm really not sure who is the best choice at this point, so I won't vote for anyone else yet.

While I understand why people want to try and find the last wolf first, lynching an Invader would not be a bad thing. Keep in mind, we still have a lot of people left and we have a better chance of finding an Invader than a wolf, so if we find someone suspicious or dangerous to the town, but we don't think they are necessarily the last wolf, I still think we should lynch them.
 
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I just realized that TheGuy confirmed alex's role for us with the flavor for the start of the game.

TheGuy said:
Will a rising general, Napoleon Bonaparte, choose to lead the French Republic to Victory and unite the people or take himself to be emperor going against the very essence of the revolution?

If anyone else was Napolean, they would have counter-claimed. If you've voted alex, unvote right now because this is all the evidence we need.

(Unless he's an indy, in which case he'd probably do more harm than good. In fact that's probably why the newspaper is voting for him.)

But either way, I think it's confirmed that you're not a Royalist. Do we know if all indies are Invaders or no? If that is the case, then I would think that this totally confirms alex as town. In which case, due to my prior logic, wouldn't Luis be the correct person to lynch here?
 
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Kecleon-X said:
I just realized that TheGuy confirmed alex's role for us with the flavor for the start of the game.

TheGuy said:
Will a rising general, Napoleon Bonaparte, choose to lead the French Republic to Victory and unite the people or take himself to be emperor going against the very essence of the revolution?

If anyone else was Napolean, they would have counter-claimed. If you've voted alex, unvote right now because this is all the evidence we need.

(Unless he's an indy, in which case he'd probably do more harm than good. In fact that's probably why the newspaper is voting for him.)

But either way, I think it's confirmed that you're not a Royalist. Do we know if all indies are Invaders or no? If that is the case, then I would think that this totally confirms alex as town. In which case, due to my prior logic, wouldn't Luis be the correct person to lynch here?

This assumes alex isn't lying, which I do not believe.
 
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Edit: I do not believe that he is Napoleon. I do believe his abilities are true, since we have proof of them.
 
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Kecleon-X said:
But either way, I think it's confirmed that you're not a Royalist. Do we know if all indies are Invaders or no? If that is the case, then I would think that this totally confirms alex as town. In which case, due to my prior logic, wouldn't Luis be the correct person to lynch here?

Sorry, what makes me a Lynch target? xD Can't see what.

My theory about this is that you are in the same pack as alex(pun intended), and that a possible Vote Block from me restrains you guys from an easy Lynch tomorrow.
 
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Luis, Kecleon has been the biggest advocate for my lynch all day. Unless you think that was all one massive bus, I would not say him changing his mind means we in the same pack.
 
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And Jeremy, there is absolutely no chance that I am not Napoleon. It is a confirmed role by the host, and there is nobody else claiming Napoleon.
 
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I'm Napoleon, and no one else
alex, that was what I meant, it makes no sense. xD That's why I'm not acting like I wrongly did D1, because I know that this is the same case.
 
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alex said:
Luis, Kecleon has been the biggest advocate for my lynch all day. Unless you think that was all one massive bus, I would not say him changing his mind means we in the same pack.

Multiple times today Alex you have tried to move attention off yourself to Kecleon. And, while I understand the points against him, has not acted nearly as scummy today as you have.

You are not town, I'll say it now. Given the late claim, how you reacted to questioning, the attitude you had to make yourself seem worth keeping around, and the name/flavor of your role all lead me to this conclusion.

Now I'll ask everybody else, what if his ability doesn't cap at six? What if it does? Either way, if he really is immune to invaders, we're running out of time to get rid of him. I doubt he is the last/one of the last wolves, but I also doubt they'll take him out for us. All he's going to do is start lynching townies for them until they feel threatened.

Now, sticking to these points, I am still happy with a Kecleon lynch. However, he's cornered. He's not getting any stronger even if he is scum. Alex will have 4 votes tomorrow. And what if he gets away then? 5. It's a big risk keeping him, thinking he's town, and if his alignment changes or he is lying, then we could be in big trouble very quickly.
 
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With the whole vote situation, the number of votes required to lynch seems to be independent from the number of players remaining and more to do with the actual number of possible votes. At the moment the number of votes for a lynch is at 12 despite there being 17 players remaining and on the previous day it was also 12 votes required. This might be some kind of auto nerf against alex.
 
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Ninja'd by KoN.

I agree that we should be wary of Alex still, and we should be keeping an extremely close eye on him.
 
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