Finished Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Town Win!

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Hmm but surely they couldn't remove the bending from a dead player...

We don't know exactly how dead I'll be if I die though.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Ugh it's 4 in the morning and I just got done reading this. Now I have to reply. @_@

Assuming you're a wolf, I think your train of thought earlier was something along the lines of "I'm gonna say people should ignore Camo to convince people I'm contributing. Oh now I'm being accused for it, now I have to think of reasons to justify my post, because I don't actually have a main reason for not wanting Camo to post."

Ha. Actually, I could see that, but it's still funny.
I have justified my points since I first posted, though, so I have had no need to "think of reasons to justify my post."

If you're a wolf, then yes, you do have to think of reasons to justify your posts. Note to all WW players: not everything people say about you is something for you to dispute.

And another thing: When you initially told everyone to ignore Camo, you didn't say anything else in your post. And your only post before that was a joke post. If this pressure on you didn't start, what were you planning to do the rest of the day? How were you planning to get a wolf lynched today/get us closer to lynching one tomorrow? All your posts have been are defenses against yourself and your argument, except for one or two minor things in your last post.

I planned to do what I do every WW game. Post when I feel necessary and pressure for explanations when none are given. As I will continue to do until I die or this game has ended.

Okay, then don't say someone's doing a bad job of leading people out of RVS if you're not really doing that.

This is the thing that annoys me the most: when people say Camo is bad for the town and then do nothing to move discussion forward. If Camo's "so bad for the town" you've gotta prove it by finding a better method. (This also happens to be something I see wolves do a lot, JSYK.)

I use a method that has no other answer than providing us with information. The players I questioned must answer or seem scummy for not doing so. They are also required to give us well-thought-out answers, which can provide us with more information on any given person than simply telling somebody they are scum and expecting them to react.

The problem with your plan is that at this point in the game, there wouldn't be anything to question without someone doing something similar to what Camo does. If nothing ever gets going in the game, people can't make posts that can be questioned.

Tell me, which method (or another, please share) do you honestly expect to get more information from? RVS, or legitimate, specific questioning?

I think what I said above answers this question. Both are needed, but at different points in the game.

~6 users have contributed to discussion since you started your big spam tradition: myself, KoN, bb, Bigfoot, MtC and yourself.

Bigfoot? At the time you posted this, the only thing Bigfoot did was make vote without giving reasoning.

That is the most anti-town thing you've said yet.
No questions are bad questions. They address concerns that you should have no problem responding to. Why hide?
We both know that voting you wouldn't do me any good. Not at this point.

Ok then why should I answer your questions if I don't feel threatened? If I'm not close to being lynched then I can continue to ignore your questions while pursuing your lynch.

I have provided much more reasoning than that. And now I am further inclined to believe that you do not wish for any discussion but that concerning my lynch.

You claim to want discussion, yet refuse to answer any question directed at you. Why?

Because I'd rather have the discussion be about how you are scum. No reason for me to defend myself if I'm not going to be lynched.

I actually disagree with you. You really should be answering these questions. Unless the person asking them is confirmed scum, your answers to them will matter somewhere down the road. And if your response is going to be "well KoN's confirmed scum, so his questions don't matter" then you're wrong because he's not confirmed. No one is confirmed anything.

bb, because KoN is in the right and I explained why I voted for Camo in the post which I voted in.

Look, Camo, this is how you answer a question. I'd advise you try to learn the skill.

[X] FAILED [ ] NOT FAILED

You failed.

I laughed really hard at this for some reason.

Oh boy, it's a good thing there's not a faction in this game that focuses on removing your bending powers. Or maybe the evil factions will just let you talk freely from the grave so you can cause more distractions during town discussions. Heck, having a Day 1-level of productivity throughout the whole game would be great for the bad guys.

I believe your role, but I think you shouldn't have revealed it.

##UNVOTE: Celever

I'm going to uni for the day, I'll check back later.

I know it says in the OP that the Equalists remove Bending powers, but didn't it seem like Bigfoot had a bit too much confidence in that statement? With all the Camo, Keeper and Celever nonsense going around, did anyone remember anything about the flavor of the game? I sure didn't until Bigfoot brought it up. Maybe Bigfoot was reminded of the Equalists in some way? Maybe because he... IS ONE?!?! Also there was a lot of snark to it. Like "you townies are stupid, we just got a free kill on Celever." Well that's a bit harsh, but you get the idea.


After seeing Celever's role reveal, I'm inclined to believe he's town. I mean, he could be scum trying to pull some WIFOM on us, while also pretending to not remember about the Equalist's power, but that just seems highly unlikely.

Camo I'm pretty even on. I don't really have any evidence to suggest what his alignment is. Him avoiding Keeper's questions is pretty scummy, but that's pretty typical for Camo.

I'm still gonna keep my vote on Keeper (pun intended) for now. A lot of his reasoning seems like he's making it up on the spot, and it doesn't sound genuine. And for those who are saying we shouldn't lynch Keeper because he's one of the top contributors today, I believe he is only one of the top contributors because he's under so much pressure. People post a lot more when they're the subject of today's lynch, for obvious reasons. If we let him live he'll become partially active, and someone of that activity level is alright to lynch, in my opinion.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

##UNVOTE: Celever
##VOTE: AlexanderTheAwesome

This is a bandwagon vote that was missed. BF, explanation or thoughts?

No thoughts, just a mindless Day 1 vote. Any reason why you waited til after I left for the day to ask this?

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Okay, then don't say someone's doing a bad job of leading people out of RVS if you're not really doing that.

I'm afraid I honestly just don't understand this statement, Camo. Are you saying that I shouldn't criticize somebody leading town out of RVS if I'm not going to? Because Camo was not leading us out of RVS, I was stopping it.

@Bigfoot, that's, um, really offensive from you over something like that. I already stated that it was a missed post. I'm sorry my timing didn't fit in with your daily schedule.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Oh boy, it's a good thing there's not a faction in this game that focuses on removing your bending powers. Or maybe the evil factions will just let you talk freely from the grave so you can cause more distractions during town discussions. Heck, having a Day 1-level of productivity throughout the whole game would be great for the bad guys.

I believe your role, but I think you shouldn't have revealed it.

##UNVOTE: Celever

I'm going to uni for the day, I'll check back later.

I know it says in the OP that the Equalists remove Bending powers, but didn't it seem like Bigfoot had a bit too much confidence in that statement? With all the Camo, Keeper and Celever nonsense going around, did anyone remember anything about the flavor of the game? I sure didn't until Bigfoot brought it up. Maybe Bigfoot was reminded of the Equalists in some way? Maybe because he... IS ONE?!?! Also there was a lot of snark to it. Like "you townies are stupid, we just got a free kill on Celever." Well that's a bit harsh, but you get the idea.

I don't think you guys understand how much of an Avatar fan I am - any knowledge about the factions for this stuff is pretty comfy in my brain. And my Amon cosplay, because I did that a few years ago. I love Avatar.
If you guys forget about an entire faction because of 'nonsense going around', you aren't paying attention enough.
Confidence comes from knowing the facts, which as you said: they're in the OP. Don't forget the world this game is based in, because Red Lotus wins when four select players die and Equalists win when non-benders outnumber benders. It's not your average WW game.

 

[BigfootAUS]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

@Bigfoot, that's, um, really offensive from you over something like that. I already stated that it was a missed post. I'm sorry my timing didn't fit in with your daily schedule.

Sorry, I just didn't know if it was genuine mis-timing or you trying to line up something against me while I'm away. I believe you.

Anyway, I have assignments to do now and then a big day of uni tomorrow. I'll reply to any more stuff in this roughly 25 hours from now. Ciao.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Finally.

This is a confession that your case against me is bad. I don't need to respond to scum.

Again, you are refusing to take part in discussion when questions are asked of you. My alignment does not affect my questions, as I would have to be town-like either way, wouldn't I? So you should take into consideration that you could be wrong and just answer the questions.

I am obviously not refusing to take part in the discussion since I answered your question.

Why don't you want to believe I'm scum? What more information? Celever is not confirmed thinking otherwise is silly.

Why would I want to believe any active player is scum? How does eliminating them help if they turn out to be town?
More information as in Celever's claim, yes. He is not confirmed, but neither is anybody else, and his claim is the most we have to work with at the moment.

This is silly.

Why is tunneling an anti-town behavior? Especially D1 and if you keep in mind other possibilities.

If you were keeping in mind other possibilities and continuing to question other players, it wouldn't really be tunneling, would it? But that's not what you're doing. Your every post has been against me, and you are against any other discussion.

I was and am keeping other possibilities in mind. Unfortunately you are still the best lynch.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Thoughts.

lol at everyone who thinks camo's d1 playstyle doesn't work. It makes me giggle every time people get upset over the things he posts because you guys are doing exactly what he wants 100% of the time

I believe Celever's claim. If Celever's role is typical of post-death roles, then he should not count as a living player once he is died.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

No, Camo, you have responded to one post out of many others that you chose to ignore.
Saying "this is silly" and trying to use it as an actual statement is not helping anybody. Why do you think it's silly? A majority of players are choosing to believe Celever's claim, are you not?
You say you are keeping other possibilities in mind, but you already admitted to tunneling. These can't both be true.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Yes they can. It was, I think, two games ago? where I thought there were multiple scum but I tunneled Celever until he died.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Yes they can. It was, I think, two games ago? where I thought there were multiple scum but I tunneled Celever until he died.

Do you have any thoughts of your own you would like to share?

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Sorry I have been inactive and busy.
This is a really really nice day 1. I like it. KoN, I'm inclined to not vote you, I don't think you're scum at the moment, but that could change easily depending on things that happen.

bbninjas- I really think you're town honestly, but stop using outside sources. It is cheap and borderline against the rules.

PMJ- nice of you to join us.

grantm- nice of you to join us.

##BLOCKADE: Celever

Celever is a good lynch. I'm inclined to think his claim may be a bluff. Aside from the scummy stuff he was going to get lynched for anyway, I think his vigorous (probably not the word I'm looking for) defending of the town (or Red Lotus, for all Celever, knows) KoN was a sneaky scum play.

When it looked like KoN was going to be lynched, Celever started defending him so that he would get lots of town cred when KoN flipped town. Of course, Celever would know that KoN was town (possible RL) because he was scum himself. I believe this is what Celever did.

Then, everyone suddenly turned on Celever, and he claims this bogus ghost thing or whatever. He even voted himself to be extra convincing! In his haste, Celever forgot (or disregarded) the basic rule/strat that you never never never ever vote yourself as town. Additionally, Celever said the thing about the bbcode. Of course he wouldn't post the bbcode! Then he would be instantly outed! his cover was really weak as well.

Celever- you can easily disprove this by posting the bbcode, sorta.

Even if Celever's town and his claim is true, Celever is SUPER DUPER helpful as confirmed town as far as his posting. I think Celever as confirmed town and without a vote is more helpful than he is now. Not only is Celever one of the more active players, he's also one of the most experienced. It would be valuable to have him posting when we can trust every word he says. of course he could still be wrong about some things, but a confo-townie that cannot die is really good to have.

For these reasons, we should definitely lynch Celever.

I could totally see Bigfoot as red lotus, just saying.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

I'm afraid I honestly just don't understand this statement, Camo Machamp.

Messed that up.

Sorry, I just didn't know if it was genuine mis-timing or you trying to line up something against me while I'm away. I believe you.

How would I know when you're here or not? You just answer when you get back, it's not a big deal. You just seem to have gotten awfully upset over a minor question.

Celever is a good lynch. I'm inclined to think his claim may be a bluff. Aside from the scummy stuff he was going to get lynched for anyway, I think his vigorous (probably not the word I'm looking for) defending of the town (or Red Lotus, for all Celever, knows) KoN was a sneaky scum play.

When it looked like KoN was going to be lynched, Celever started defending him so that he would get lots of town cred when KoN flipped town. Of course, Celever would know that KoN was town (possible RL) because he was scum himself. I believe this is what Celever did.

Ok, I suppose that makes sense.

He even voted himself to be extra convincing! In his haste, Celever forgot (or disregarded) the basic rule/strat that you never never never ever vote yourself as town.

I agree with this. Voting yourself is a scummy move.

Additionally, Celever said the thing about the bbcode. Of course he wouldn't post the bbcode! Then he would be instantly outed! his cover was really weak as well.

Celever- you can easily disprove this by posting the bbcode, sorta.

Celever, please do this.

Even if Celever's town and his claim is true, Celever is SUPER DUPER helpful as confirmed town as far as his posting. I think Celever as confirmed town and without a vote is more helpful than he is now. Not only is Celever one of the more active players, he's also one of the most experienced. It would be valuable to have him posting when we can trust every word he says. of course he could still be wrong about some things, but a confo-townie that cannot die is really good to have.

The problem with this is that we don't know if he'll actually be able to stay around after being voted, as his powers may be able to still be taken, therefor wasting our vote today and rendering Celever useless. That is, of course, assuming his claim is true, and I have no reason to doubt it for the moment.

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

ok I just reread the flavor part about equalists and red lotus. The equalists don't seem overly malicious, they sound more like a cult to me. I would guess that they can only remove someone's ability at night. Actually, we can prove this if the equalists did not target scum night 0.

If the person (if any) steps forward and tells us their bending ability was removed night 0, we can safely lynch Celever. If not, then either I'm wrong about their ability, they targeted Red Lotus, or they targeted someone who was already a non bender.

MUFFIN THOUGHTS STAT

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

muffin left...

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Yes they can. It was, I think, two games ago? where I thought there were multiple scum but I tunneled Celever until he died.

Do you have any thoughts of your own you would like to share?

I already shared what I thought of the game thus far. If there's something specific you want me to elaborate on, just ask.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

If the person (if any) steps forward and tells us their bending ability was removed night 0, we can safely lynch Celever. If not, then either I'm wrong about their ability, they targeted Red Lotus, or they targeted someone who was already a non bender.

Wouldn't it be a nightly ability though? If so, whenever we lynch Celever, they could just take his ability away then and stop him from talking. But we don't know if they can take his ability away post-death or not. It's the risk of them being able to that makes voting Celever seem pointless.

I already shared what I thought of the game thus far. If there's something specific you want me to elaborate on, just ask.

Ok then, who would you vote at the moment and why?

 

[Mr.Muffin]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Is their an update on the votes?

 

[Mr.Muffin]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

I am thinking about something worth saying, and I have said everything I wanted to.

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

tbh seems kinda silly that dead players would be able to be targeted, what would the point of them dying be. I hadn't thought about that KoN.

##ICE ESPEON can dead players be targeted?