Finished Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Town Win!

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

You say you are keeping other possibilities in mind, but you already admitted to tunneling. These can't both be true.

Of course they can. I don't have to post all my thoughts.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

You say you are keeping other possibilities in mind, but you already admitted to tunneling. These can't both be true.

Of course they can. I don't have to post all my thoughts.

Humor me. What are your thoughts on lynching Celever?

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Sorry I have been inactive and busy.
This is a really really nice day 1. I like it. KoN, I'm inclined to not vote you, I don't think you're scum at the moment, but that could change easily depending on things that happen.

bbninjas- I really think you're town honestly, but stop using outside sources. It is cheap and borderline against the rules.

PMJ- nice of you to join us.

grantm- nice of you to join us.

##BLOCKADE: Celever

Celever is a good lynch. I'm inclined to think his claim may be a bluff. Aside from the scummy stuff he was going to get lynched for anyway, I think his vigorous (probably not the word I'm looking for) defending of the town (or Red Lotus, for all Celever, knows) KoN was a sneaky scum play.

When it looked like KoN was going to be lynched, Celever started defending him so that he would get lots of town cred when KoN flipped town. Of course, Celever would know that KoN was town (possible RL) because he was scum himself. I believe this is what Celever did.

Then, everyone suddenly turned on Celever, and he claims this bogus ghost thing or whatever. He even voted himself to be extra convincing! In his haste, Celever forgot (or disregarded) the basic rule/strat that you never never never ever vote yourself as town. Additionally, Celever said the thing about the bbcode. Of course he wouldn't post the bbcode! Then he would be instantly outed! his cover was really weak as well.

Celever- you can easily disprove this by posting the bbcode, sorta.

Even if Celever's town and his claim is true, Celever is SUPER DUPER helpful as confirmed town as far as his posting. I think Celever as confirmed town and without a vote is more helpful than he is now. Not only is Celever one of the more active players, he's also one of the most experienced. It would be valuable to have him posting when we can trust every word he says. of course he could still be wrong about some things, but a confo-townie that cannot die is really good to have.

For these reasons, we should definitely lynch Celever.

I could totally see Bigfoot as red lotus, just saying.

For once you are being smart (cept your opinion on KoN).

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

for once? >:[

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Of course they can. I don't have to post all my thoughts.

Humor me. What are your thoughts on lynching Celever?

I'd rather lynch you but Celever works. If evidence remains at where it is I will push for your lynch until the last second of the day.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Also KoN's constant questioning is obviously an attempt to lead.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Humor me. What are your thoughts on lynching Celever?

I'd rather lynch you but Celever works. If evidence remains at where it is I will push for your lynch until the last second of the day.

What evidence, and why does Celever work for you? You're being too vague.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Also KoN's constant questioning is obviously an attempt to lead.

I would actually welcome more people asking more questions, I just seem to be the only one doing so.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

No, Camo, you have responded to one post out of many others that you chose to ignore.
Saying "this is silly" and trying to use it as an actual statement is not helping anybody. Why do you think it's silly? A majority of players are choosing to believe Celever's claim, are you not?

The wording on this made me laugh.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

I'd rather lynch you but Celever works. If evidence remains at where it is I will push for your lynch until the last second of the day.

What evidence, and why does Celever work for you? You're being too vague.

Ok.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Are you trying to make people take you even less seriously?

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Are you trying to make people take you even less seriously?

Ok?

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

I think camo is just kinda past arguing with you at this point keeper, it's whatever. Also, woah lots of ppl viewing right now. cool cool.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

I think camo is just kinda past arguing with you at this point keeper, it's whatever. Also, woah lots of ppl viewing right now. cool cool.

Nah bro. He's the one asking me questions.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

This isn't Camo's normal behaviour.

If you want to talk about "normal behavior" then look at how different KoN is acting.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Ok then, who would you vote at the moment and why?

I don't feel comfortable voting for anyone right now. If I did, I would have voted when I posted what I thought about the current state of the game. I think you fell for Camoclone's d1 tactics hook, line, and sinker, but that doesn't mean you're scum. I agree that it's possible that Celever could be lying about his claim, but the fact that bigfoot gave it the Resident Avatar Nerd Stamp of Approval leads me to believe that Celever is telling the truth. Like, it could be a safe claim, but that is one hell of a turnaround time on a safe claim, don't you think?

Failing a huge, catastrophic scum slip, today's lynch probably won't be built on any sort of solid logical ground.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

##UNVOTE: Camoclone
##VOTE: grantm1999
Call it OMGUS if you want, but this is a legit case, and I'm surprised no one else noticed it. I would have done this if grant had voted for anyone, because he's made this too easy.

grant is an Equalist, and I'm about to show you why:

##BLOCKADE: Celever

Come at me bro

Celever is a good lynch. I'm inclined to think his claim may be a bluff.

Tell me why.

Aside from the scummy stuff he was going to get lynched for anyway,

Such as?

I think his vigorous (probably not the word I'm looking for) defending of the town (or Red Lotus, for all Celever, knows) KoN was a sneaky scum play.

Ha, you slipped. The town or Red Lotus? Why is he not also a possible Equalist? OH I KNOW! You clearly thought in your head "KoN must be one of the other two factions because he's not aligned with me" and accidentally let it slip in your post.

When it looked like KoN was going to be lynched, Celever started defending him so that he would get lots of town cred when KoN flipped town. Of course, Celever would know that KoN was town (possible RL) because he was scum himself. I believe this is what Celever did.

This is plausible, yes, although I DID buddy with KoN long before it looked like I was getting lynched, which makes this statement hold less weight. In fact, I buddied KoN since basically the very start of the day, when he first attacked Camo. Serious votes were put on me way after this.

Then, everyone suddenly turned on Celever, and he claims this bogus ghost thing or whatever. He even voted himself to be extra convincing!

Sarcasm doesn't help anyone, as was pointed out to me earlier. I claimed a ghost thing, which in reality set me up to be lynched (and yes, I voted for myself because I thought it was the right thing to do). I'd have to be a REALLY bad scum to claim something which benefits from being lynched. Of course, then whoever it was pointed out that I could have my bending removed, and the plan suddenly looked a lot less appetising! x____x

In his haste, Celever forgot (or disregarded) the basic rule/strat that you never never never ever vote yourself as town.

There is no such thing.

Additionally, Celever said the thing about the bbcode. Of course he wouldn't post the bbcode! Then he would be instantly outed! his cover was really weak as well.

Celever- you can easily disprove this by posting the bbcode, sorta.

Of course you would want the bbcode. I alerted your faction to the fact that there is bbcode, and now you're trying to get that info out of me. I'm not posting it, and your slip earlier on in your post is the main reason why. I'm gonna need a good excuse for that, especially because the Red Lotus wasn't an active topic at all in the game. The Equalists were a hot topic point when I claimed earlier, so even if you'd just read the thread in one go (which you must have done because as you claimed earlier in your post (I cut it out though, whoops x_x) you were busy before now) it would have been on your mind way more than the RL.

Even if Celever's town and his claim is true, Celever is SUPER DUPER helpful as confirmed town as far as his posting.

Thanks! I disagree, but hey . Anyway, since you have this viewpoint, it only makes sense that you'd want me dead as an anti-town.

I think Celever as confirmed town and without a vote is more helpful than he is now. Not only is Celever one of the more active players, he's also one of the most experienced.

This is one of those times where flattery having no effect on me is a good thing, right?

It would be valuable to have him posting when we can trust every word he says. of course he could still be wrong about some things, but a confo-townie that cannot die is really good to have.

Which is why you want me lynched, to get rid of my bending and to kill me.
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I think I've made my point clear enough. His slip of not mentioning the Equalists is enough for a decent Day 1 case in itself, but the rest of his post only ties in with the theory so well. His half-baked case against me "the reasons he had votes before etc." is clearly just a way to try and push a lynch by playing on the existing suspicions of the town, but since there's actually no case against me (at least a public one someone's posted) he couldn't give any examples. He just knows that it's best to get me out of the picture ASAP, because like he said, a confotown is a powerful thing.

His whole post is also typed up like he knows something more. Is that just me? It's like he's hiding something somewhere, and I really don't know why. His question to IE about whether dead players can be targeted also shows that he's trying to limit the options for the situation. I've already talked about how I'm not a regular dead and he knows this, he's just hoping that no one else notices as well.

PMJ also posted this while I was typing this up, which I just find amusing:

Failing a huge, catastrophic scum slip, today's lynch probably won't be built on any sort of solid logical ground.

I think I found one! Maybe not a "huge, catastrophic" slip, but it's good enough.
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I don't really have anything to say with the rest of the discussion since I've gone. If anyone has anything they would like me to respond to, please do so.

As for the bbcode, I'll post it tomorrow if we end up lynching grant and he flips town. If not, just be thankful I didn't . The "Quote:" text should be sufficient IMO anyway, since even though scum roles also probably have it, it'd be a hell of a thing to remember to include in a fake, especially in a bbcodeless one. If you were on the scum team, or possibly the mason group, in Wizarding Wars, you'll know that I'm not this good at remembering things. Hell, I missed out the masonry paragraph in my fake claim when I first posted it in the mason chat back then! >~>

READ: I know this post looks kinda long, but I promise it isn't. It's tall, but most are oneliner responses to one line parts of grant's post. Sorry about that, there was just a lot wrong with it >_>

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

For once you are being smart (cept your opinion on KoN).

Forgot to mention how this is a plausible play with Camo and grant on the same Equalist faction, with Camo reinforcing the argument with his viewpoint many less experienced users adhere to (no offense) but not actually being the one to take the blame for it should I be lynched, my bending powers removed and my flipping town thereafter.

I'm assuming my role will be fully revealed should I properly die, but IDRK.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

~6 users have contributed to discussion since you started your big spam tradition: myself, KoN, bb, Bigfoot, MtC and yourself.

Bigfoot? At the time you posted this, the only thing Bigfoot did was make vote without giving reasoning.

Sorry for triple post, but I wanted to respond to this as well. IIRC Bigfoot RVS lynched me, so honestly he probably left more of a lasting impression in my mind than the other RVS votes, and since I couldn't remember exactly what he'd done I mistook it as a contribution to discussion in some way. Sorry about that mistake! >_>

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Vote count time:


Mr.Muffin - 1 (bbninjas)
TwistedTurtwig - 1 (Drohn)
Keeper of Night - 3 (Camoclone, Machamp The Champion, DarkMatterGaming)
Camoclone - 2 (Keeper of Night, Luispipe8)
Celever - 4 (Brave Vesperia, Squirtle Squad, AlexanderTheAwesome, grantm1999)
AlexanderTheAwesome - 1 (GM Draclord)
PMJ - 1 (TwistedTurtwig)
grantm1999 - 1 (Celever)



Under normal circumstances dead players cannot be targeted. If they can be targeted, it will be stated in the flavour of the update where they die.