Finished Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Town Win!

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RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Continuing to stall. Quit dodging.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

A case takes time to build. C/Ping doesn't if you really are town.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

You think you can win this, Camo, but there's a major flaw with the whole premise of this argument. Compiling your case against KoN is basic sense and benefits the town greatly. Publicising the private bbcode is extremely illogical and really only benefits the scum, as the town already know it. Pushing this hard for it is idiotic at best, and shows exactly why you're a good lynch target tomorrow. This isn't even tunnelling any more, this is just having the anti-town's best interests in mind and not even being subtle about it LMAO.

I'm going to stop responding to anything you say about bbcode now because you're just taking discussion off of your scumbuddy grant and I just got played so hard by you. Nicely done, but you've really just wasted everyone's time. Restart conversations from the case against grant, please and thank you.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Celever said:
Camoclone said:
The case on Grant is bad.
This means nothing without reasoning.
Post the full role.
No clue what you mean lol
Camoclone said:
I believe I have provided tons of reasoning.
No, you haven't. If you had, do what bb asked you to do I think over a day ago and compile it into one big case so that we actually have, y'know, a SLIGHT incentive to lynch this obvious scum. This is why I wanted to lynch you before grant slipped.

I was gonna post something among the lines of what you said, Celever but you beat me to it. :p

I also agree with you on Grant. I think we have a solid lynch candidate D2.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Dodge dodge dodge dodge...
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Celever doesn't know what it is and therefore is trying his best to dodge like heck.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Celever said:
You think you can win this, Camo, but there's a major flaw with the whole premise of this argument. Compiling your case against KoN is basic sense and benefits the town greatly.

Already said I'd post one.

Publicising the private bbcode is extremely illogical and really only benefits the scum, as the town already know it.

False. You are a wolf and don't have the code. Therefore you are dodging.

Pushing this hard for it is idiotic at best, and shows exactly why you're a good lynch target tomorrow.

False. You pushing against posting it is anti-town at best and shows exactly why you're a good lynch candidate today.

This isn't even tunnelling any more, this is just having the anti-town's best interests in mind and not even being subtle about it LMAO.

False. You don't know what tunneling is.

I'm going to stop responding to anything you say about bbcode now because you're just taking discussion off of your scumbuddy grant and I just got played so hard by you. Nicely done, but you've really just wasted everyone's time.

False. You are just dodging a simple question.
A couple of things completely wrong with this post.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

I've added the sample role from post #28 to the OP as I forgot to do so earlier.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

And he jumps in and saves Celever. A couple of things this tells us. Scum did not have access to the town rolecard before or else there would be little reason to add it to the OP. This is supported by Celever's dodging. Celever then Brave Vesperia when he flips scum. If Celever flips town and wasn't lying then it gives us a confo townie. Since if Celever really is town he won't die this is a safer lynch than anything else is.

##UNVOTE: KEEPER OF NIGHT
##VOTE: CELEVER
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

AtA, where's this post you mentioned earlier? We could really do with something to actually move discussion along...

I'm really not even bothering to respond to Camo's posts because you guys all have better things to do than read a trivial argument, and I have better things to do than to take part in a trivial argument. His last post is so bad I really shouldn't have to spell it out for anyone anyway, I'll leave it to the rest of you to figure out the inconsistencies and idiocy there. If you need a bit of help just give me the bell >_>
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Celever said:
I'm really not even bothering to respond to Camo's posts because you guys all have better things to do than read a trivial argument, and I have better things to do than to take part in a trivial argument. His last post is so bad I really shouldn't have to spell it out for anyone anyway, I'll leave it to the rest of you to figure out the inconsistencies and idiocy there. If you need a bit of help just give me the bell >_>

Here we go boyzzzz!!!!!!! Here we have a classic example of scum being hypocritical. He gets on my case when I refuse to answer but refuses to answer himself.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

So far Celever has:
  • Said he wanted to lynch me even though he thought I was town.
  • Buddied hard with KoN for no reason.
  • Claimed under very little pressure D1.
  • Voted himself.
  • Has been incredibly hypocritical.
  • Dodged posting the town bbcode like heck.
  • etc.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

This is a good lynch D1.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Everybody had access to that role weeks before the game started as it was in a public post. I simply moved it now because I remembered to. Please do not misconstrue my actions as favouring any faction or player, as that would be immoral on my part.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

To be honest. I doubt scum even noticed as I for one didn't. That doesn't nullify the other points on Celever either.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Oh, the formatting was public all along. That argument was for nothing then, since one scum probably noticed it. In fact, it looks like Camo knew it was there all along, so one scum definitely noticed it.

Camoclone said:
And he jumps in and saves Celever. A couple of things this tells us. Scum did not have access to the town rolecard before or else there would be little reason to add it to the OP. This is supported by Celever's dodging. Celever then Brave Vesperia when he flips scum. If Celever flips town and wasn't lying then it gives us a confo townie. Since if Celever really is town he won't die this is a safer lynch than anything else is.

##UNVOTE: KEEPER OF NIGHT
##VOTE: CELEVER

Oh, look, he's using grant's arguments again. Are you trying to be subtle and just failing, or do you want to be caught?

Camoclone said:
Celever said:
I'm really not even bothering to respond to Camo's posts because you guys all have better things to do than read a trivial argument, and I have better things to do than to take part in a trivial argument. His last post is so bad I really shouldn't have to spell it out for anyone anyway, I'll leave it to the rest of you to figure out the inconsistencies and idiocy there. If you need a bit of help just give me the bell >_>

Here we go boyzzzz!!!!!!! Here we have a classic example of scum being hypocritical. He gets on my case when I refuse to answer but refuses to answer himself.

No? There's a big difference:
Celever said:
Compiling your case against KoN is basic sense and benefits the town greatly. Publicising the private bbcode is extremely illogical and really only benefits the scum, as the town already know it.

When I only need to type a couple of lines of text to create a clear response you know you're beating a dead horse Camo, so shut up, because:
Squirtle Squad said:
Celevers 'case' on grant is good and one I'd definitely consider

Camoclone said:
So far Celever has:
  • Said he wanted to lynch me even though he thought I was town.
  • Buddied hard with KoN for no reason.
  • Claimed under very little pressure D1.
  • Voted himself.
  • Has been incredibly hypocritical.
  • Dodged posting the town bbcode like heck.
  • etc.
Taking things out of context is the easy way to make it seem like you have a case when it doesn't exist:
  • You were being detrimental to the town regardless of faction, and were the only play at the time to be doing so, so it only made sense.
  • Buddied hard with KoN because he was in the right and I'm so tired of your Day 1 shenanigans I can't even say. I'm looking forward to this conversation post-game.
  • Which isn't out of character for me. In fact, I tend to do it more as town because I know my claim is from the host, thus believable most of the time.
  • Because of my role and because I would want to confirm myself. Your wanting to lynch me and buddying of grant really makes me think you're an Equalist rn anyway, but I prefer a grant lynch.
  • You claimed I was being hypocritical. I wasn't, so you can just cross that one off entirely >_>
  • So as to not needlessly give useful information to the scum? That's anything BUT a scumtell.
  • What do you mean by etc.? I'm interested, because I think you ran out of points and realised they're all s***, and adding an etc. makes the case look a bit better.

    Does this suffice as a defense? I think it's pretty good, personally :v.

    On the topic of defence, I still REALLY want to know why the sudden surge of votes on me happened earlier on in the game, since I still haven't seen a single good reason for voting me besides when we though it would clean me for free, and the surge of votes was before then.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Godammit I always forget to [/list] D':

Also yeah, I forgot to mention that Camo just accused IE, the host, of helping me out. His case is so flimsy it's unreal.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

This thread is really, really dumb.

It goes like:
Camo says something crazy.
Then Keeper does something stupid
Celever does something stupid too.
Another person tries to make a point.
People get upset because it isn't aligned with Keeper's or Camo's ideas

Tell me when something interesting happens.
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Mr.Muffin said:
This thread is really, really dumb.

It goes like:
Camo says something crazy.
Then Keeper does something stupid
Celever does something stupid too.
Another person tries to make a point.
People get upset because it isn't aligned with Keeper's or Camo's ideas

Tell me when something interesting happens.

The case on grant. Here. Camo's successfully drawn attention away from it, and I can't let it happen because I found a scum.

In fact, just in case a hyperlink isn't enough, let's post it again:
##UNVOTE: Camoclone
##VOTE: grantm1999

Call it OMGUS if you want, but this is a legit case, and I'm surprised no one else noticed it. I would have done this if grant had voted for anyone, because he's made this too easy.

grant is an Equalist, and I'm about to show you why:
grantm1999 said:
##BLOCKADE: Celever
Come at me bro
Celever is a good lynch. I'm inclined to think his claim may be a bluff.
Tell me why.
Aside from the scummy stuff he was going to get lynched for anyway,
Such as?
I think his vigorous (probably not the word I'm looking for) defending of the town (or Red Lotus, for all Celever, knows) KoN was a sneaky scum play.
Ha, you slipped. The town or Red Lotus? Why is he not also a possible Equalist? OH I KNOW! You clearly thought in your head "KoN must be one of the other two factions because he's not aligned with me" and accidentally let it slip in your post.
When it looked like KoN was going to be lynched, Celever started defending him so that he would get lots of town cred when KoN flipped town. Of course, Celever would know that KoN was town (possible RL) because he was scum himself. I believe this is what Celever did.
This is plausible, yes, although I DID buddy with KoN long before it looked like I was getting lynched, which makes this statement hold less weight. In fact, I buddied KoN since basically the very start of the day, when he first attacked Camo. Serious votes were put on me way after this.
Then, everyone suddenly turned on Celever, and he claims this bogus ghost thing or whatever. He even voted himself to be extra convincing!
Sarcasm doesn't help anyone, as was pointed out to me earlier. I claimed a ghost thing, which in reality set me up to be lynched (and yes, I voted for myself because I thought it was the right thing to do). I'd have to be a REALLY bad scum to claim something which benefits from being lynched. Of course, then whoever it was pointed out that I could have my bending removed, and the plan suddenly looked a lot less appetising! x____x
In his haste, Celever forgot (or disregarded) the basic rule/strat that you never never never ever vote yourself as town.
There is no such thing.
Additionally, Celever said the thing about the bbcode. Of course he wouldn't post the bbcode! Then he would be instantly outed! his cover was really weak as well.

Celever- you can easily disprove this by posting the bbcode, sorta.
Of course you would want the bbcode. I alerted your faction to the fact that there is bbcode, and now you're trying to get that info out of me. I'm not posting it, and your slip earlier on in your post is the main reason why. I'm gonna need a good excuse for that, especially because the Red Lotus wasn't an active topic at all in the game. The Equalists were a hot topic point when I claimed earlier, so even if you'd just read the thread in one go (which you must have done because as you claimed earlier in your post (I cut it out though, whoops x_x) you were busy before now) it would have been on your mind way more than the RL.
Even if Celever's town and his claim is true, Celever is SUPER DUPER helpful as confirmed town as far as his posting.
Thanks! I disagree, but hey :p. Anyway, since you have this viewpoint, it only makes sense that you'd want me dead as an anti-town.
I think Celever as confirmed town and without a vote is more helpful than he is now. Not only is Celever one of the more active players, he's also one of the most experienced.
This is one of those times where flattery having no effect on me is a good thing, right? ;)
It would be valuable to have him posting when we can trust every word he says. of course he could still be wrong about some things, but a confo-townie that cannot die is really good to have.
Which is why you want me lynched, to get rid of my bending and to kill me.
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I think I've made my point clear enough. His slip of not mentioning the Equalists is enough for a decent Day 1 case in itself, but the rest of his post only ties in with the theory so well. His half-baked case against me "the reasons he had votes before etc." is clearly just a way to try and push a lynch by playing on the existing suspicions of the town, but since there's actually no case against me (at least a public one someone's posted) he couldn't give any examples. He just knows that it's best to get me out of the picture ASAP, because like he said, a confotown is a powerful thing.

His whole post is also typed up like he knows something more. Is that just me? It's like he's hiding something somewhere, and I really don't know why. His question to IE about whether dead players can be targeted also shows that he's trying to limit the options for the situation. I've already talked about how I'm not a regular dead and he knows this, he's just hoping that no one else notices as well.

PMJ also posted this while I was typing this up, which I just find amusing:
PMJ said:
Failing a huge, catastrophic scum slip, today's lynch probably won't be built on any sort of solid logical ground.

I think I found one! Maybe not a "huge, catastrophic" slip, but it's good enough.
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I don't really have anything to say with the rest of the discussion since I've gone. If anyone has anything they would like me to respond to, please do so.

As for the bbcode, I'll post it tomorrow if we end up lynching grant and he flips town. If not, just be thankful I didn't :p. The "Quote:" text should be sufficient IMO anyway, since even though scum roles also probably have it, it'd be a hell of a thing to remember to include in a fake, especially in a bbcodeless one. If you were on the scum team, or possibly the mason group, in Wizarding Wars, you'll know that I'm not this good at remembering things. Hell, I missed out the masonry paragraph in my fake claim when I first posted it in the mason chat back then! >~>

READ: I know this post looks kinda long, but I promise it isn't. It's tall, but most are oneliner responses to one line parts of grant's post. Sorry about that, there was just a lot wrong with it >_>
 
RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Okay so I keep on forgetting about this game because school is evil and I've been busy being a Youth Councillor but--
I honestly don't know what to think. All I see in the last few posts is Kettle and Pot going at it again, and that's normal Day 1 business. I'll wait a bit longer to place my vote w
 
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