Finished Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Town Win!

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Taking things out of context is the easy way to make it seem like you have a case when it doesn't exist:

• You were being detrimental to the town regardless of faction, and were the only play at the time to be doing so, so it only made sense.
  I don't think you understand. You should.
• Buddied hard with KoN because he was in the right and I'm so tired of your Day 1 shenanigans I can't even say. I'm looking forward to this conversation post-game.
  Being tired of them is a bad reason to do this. They work. Get over it.
• Which isn't out of character for me. In fact, I tend to do it more as town because I know my claim is from the host, thus believable most of the time.
  Sticking the extra bit in is scummy.
• Because of my role and because I would want to confirm myself. Your wanting to lynch me and buddying of grant really makes me think you're an Equalist rn anyway, but I prefer a grant lynch.
  What buddying? I agreed with 1 or 2 points then said the case is bad. It is.
• You claimed I was being hypocritical. I wasn't, so you can just cross that one off entirely >_>
  You were. I've provided specific examples too.
• So as to not needlessly give useful information to the scum? That's anything BUT a scumtell.
  lol. Your so flippy it's not even funny. When it suits you you say that scum probably saw the role. When it doesn't suit you you don't.
  
  On the topic of defence, I still REALLY want to know why the sudden surge of votes on me happened earlier on in the game, since I still haven't seen a single good reason for voting me besides when we though it would clean me for free, and the surge of votes was before then.
  
  So you have no reason to justify your panic claim?

• 
  
  Bolded.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Spoiler

##BLOCKADE: Celever

Celever is a good lynch. I'm inclined to think his claim may be a bluff. Aside from the scummy stuff he was going to get lynched for anyway, I think his vigorous (probably not the word I'm looking for) defending of the town (or Red Lotus, for all Celever, knows) KoN was a sneaky scum play.
Maybe it's just me, but this seems oddly worded so Idk what to say lol.

When it looked like KoN was going to be lynched, Celever started defending him so that he would get lots of town cred when KoN flipped town. Of course, Celever would know that KoN was town (possible RL) because he was scum himself. I believe this is what Celever did.
Idk about that, KoN and Celever started buddying way before either of them prime lynch targets. While buddying is a tell, the timing of the buddying makes me think this is most likely not the case (however I am not shutting down the possibility of either of them being anti-town, just saying that your explanation doesn't make much sense to me).

Then, everyone suddenly turned on Celever, and he claims this bogus ghost thing or whatever. He even voted himself to be extra convincing! In his haste, Celever forgot (or disregarded) the basic rule/strat that you never never never ever vote yourself as town. Additionally, Celever said the thing about the bbcode. Of course he wouldn't post the bbcode! Then he would be instantly outed! his cover was really weak as well.
This is an interesting explanation and I don't really like the way you worded it. This makes it seem as if you are directly targeting Celever. Why? Well while the focus is on Celever, giving people another reason to get on the C-Lynch train would be an easy way to deter attention away from you. I do agree with you that he shouldn't have voted himself, but the thing about the bb I'm torn on. I can confirm that when copying the role info the quote part does get copied from an iPad, and if he truly did post that from an iPad (which I think he did), then I have a hard time believing he was able to edit the role from an iPad and make it look flawless, especially since it is much more difficult to do so compared to doing so on a computer.

Now here are the three options in my eyes:
a) celever releases the bbcode and is confo-town. Fine and dandy.
b) Celever releases the bbcode and is confo-town, however the bbcode is now outed to other potential lynches who are anti-town.
c) (the option I would like to see), Celever does not release the bbcode, we trust his claim, and unless further evidence against him happens to show up either today or a few days away, we pursue other potential lynches.

Celever- you can easily disprove this by posting the bbcode, sorta.
Ok this just flat out makes me think you're anti-town. Most people probably wouldn't agree with me here but here is my reason. You're saying "post the bbcode that will confirm you" Ok, fine. I agree IF he posted the bbcode he would be 100% confo town, the bbcode hasn't been shown yet. However you said "sorta"? This is what that says to me: "post the bbcode, so that I know what the code is (just in case), and after that's all said and done I will come up with an explanation as to why we should lynch you anyways. This definitely doesn't make me feel good about you.

Even if Celever's town and his claim is true, Celever is SUPER DUPER helpful as confirmed town as far as his posting. I think Celever as confirmed town and without a vote is more helpful than he is now. Not only is Celever one of the more active players, he's also one of the most experienced. It would be valuable to have him posting when we can trust every word he says. of course he could still be wrong about some things, but a confo-townie that cannot die is really good to have.
Well yes and no, I can see where you're coming from, but Celever would be more helpful as a live town than dead, ofc we can disagree about that and that's fine because that's not really the problem here. This ties back to when I said you seem anti-town, you seem mainly to be posting that last paragraph to support the one above, so basically I believe you are just saying "Give me the bbcode and when you do I'll convince people that you should get lynched anyways because you'll be 'Totes MaGoates helpful' "

I could totally see Bigfoot as red lotus, just saying.
Care to share your thoughts? Also (like what Celever said) interesting you specified Red Lotus.

Now I think I've made a pretty good case against grant, so feel free to ask me questions on any of my viewpoints or argue with me (because ya know, Werewolf )
SO:
##VOTE: grantm1999

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

On the topic of defence, I still REALLY want to know why the sudden surge of votes on me happened earlier on in the game, since I still haven't seen a single good reason for voting me besides when we though it would clean me for free, and the surge of votes was before then.

Heck Celever even voted himself... lololololol

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Ok since I can't edit my post:
EDIT TO ABOVE: I didn't realize that IE had outted the bbcode, still that doesn't change my opinion on grant since it was obvious he did not realize it either and played as if the code had not been.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

I'm not posting again until either:
1) Someone else (not Camo) places a vote on me and provides actual reasoning OR
2) Discussion has happened with the case on grant, because I found a fudging scum and no one is taking any notice whatsoever of it.

I trust that you all can fish out Camo's lies (for the record, all of his points in the last post were lies except maybe his last point since I have no clue what he means by that lol) sooooooooo cya I guess. Please lynch grant, or if you don't, tell me why the case is flawed. Everyone should do one of these two things.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

I'm not posting again until either:
1) Someone else (not Camo) places a vote on me and provides actual reasoning

Hypocritical...

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

So far Celever has:

• Claimed under very little pressure D1.

Meh, while I might agree with some of your other points, remember Celever has done that before so it didn't strike me as an odd play coming from him.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

So far Celever has:

• Claimed under very little pressure D1.

Meh, while I might agree with some of your other points, remember Celever has done that before so it didn't strike me as an odd play coming from him.

That doesn't change the fact that it is scummy.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Can we please have more Celever votes please?

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Meh, while I might agree with some of your other points, remember Celever has done that before so it didn't strike me as an odd play coming from him.

That doesn't change the fact that it is scummy.

True, True, I guess I can't argue with that, but it just isn't enough for me.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

That doesn't change the fact that it is scummy.

True, True, I guess I can't argue with that, but it just isn't enough for me.

It's better than any other case at this point in the game.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Remember not to provide "actual reasoning" when voting Celever.

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Remember not to provide "actual reasoning" when voting Celever.

U w0t m8?
"Confused Face"

Perhaps I am missing the subliminal message here.

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

literally the entire case against me is specifying red lotus as opposed to the equalists. The reason for this is quite simple, I'm a derp and did not read the flavor until after i made my first post.

When i made that first post, I thought the equalists were the main scum team, and the red lotus was an indie faction that had to kill four specific players.

*goes to get proof*

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

literally the entire case against me is specifying red lotus as opposed to the equalists. The reason for this is quite simple, I'm a derp and did not read the flavor until after i made my first post.

When i made that first post, I thought the equalists were the main scum team, and the red lotus was an indie faction that had to kill four specific players.

*goes to get proof*

Why didn't you think KoN could be a part of the main scum team?

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

ok I just reread the flavor part about equalists and red lotus. The equalists don't seem overly malicious, they sound more like a cult to me. I would guess that they can only remove someone's ability at night. Actually, we can prove this if the equalists did not target scum night 0.

If the person (if any) steps forward and tells us their bending ability was removed night 0, we can safely lynch Celever. If not, then either I'm wrong about their ability, they targeted Red Lotus, or they targeted someone who was already a non bender.

MUFFIN THOUGHTS STAT

This post was made AFTER I made that first post that yall are attacking. Note that I said "ok I just reread the favor part about equalists and red lotus". I said reread because I didn't want to admit at the time I hadn't actually read it before. And you can see in this post how I talk more specifiacally about those factions a fter I actually understood what they are.

The case against me is incredibly flimsy..

Also ATA your point about me directing attention away from myself is completely and totally invalid. Not only did I NOT HAVE ANY attention on me whatsoever at the time I made that post, Celever had a lot of attention already.

What would be the point of me making that long thought out post day 1 if I was scum? To seem town? Obviously I didn't even do that. I was simply explaining why I believed Celever to be a legitimate lynch target as opposed to other semi RVS nonsense.

##ICE ESPEON you didn't answer my question, can players be targeted after they die?
Celever is still a good lynch.

 

[grantm1999]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

@Celever in my first post I referred to the equalists as "scum"

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

What would be the point of me making that long thought out post day 1 if I was scum? To seem town? Obviously I didn't even do that. I was simply explaining why I believed Celever to be a legitimate lynch target as opposed to other semi RVS nonsense.

Alright now you returned to being regular Grant. You had a thing going for a little while.

 

[Camoclone]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Celever is still scum. Grant is still town. Can we please get votes on Celever instead of just messing around?

 

[Ice Espeon]

RE: Werewolf XXVI: Harmonic Divergence | Day 1 Ends on the 22nd at 22:00 BST

Grant, your question was answered in the last vote count.

Vote count time:


Mr.Muffin - 1 (bbninjas)
TwistedTurtwig - 1 (Drohn)
Keeper of Night - 3 (Camoclone, Machamp The Champion, DarkMatterGaming)
Camoclone - 2 (Keeper of Night, Luispipe8)
Celever - 4 (Brave Vesperia, Squirtle Squad, AlexanderTheAwesome, grantm1999)
AlexanderTheAwesome - 1 (GM Draclord)
PMJ - 1 (TwistedTurtwig)
grantm1999 - 1 (Celever)



Under normal circumstances dead players cannot be targeted. If they can be targeted, it will be stated in the flavour of the update where they die.