What Can Be Done to Improve PokeBeach Forums?

Oh, oh yeah.
I always just thought of you as one.
You're that one that's like
"Why is DNA not a super mod again?"
I remember I would always list you when VY and I would play "name the staff members from memory"


Oh yeah here I am to edit this with another suggestion:
I think PB could be greatly improved with the addition of a button that shows appreciation for posts. Facebook has "Like," the Gym has "Thank," Smogon has "Luvdisc," Gaia has "Tip," all to show that you liked a post without having to make a second post saying so. It reduces the urge to spam with posts like that, rewards good posts and makes members feel good when they get tipped/liked/luvdisc'd/thanked a lot.
 
I keep seeing a bunch of Newbie topics and 2 week post stuff and it gets me thinking, what if when a member signs up they are redirected to the rules page? Cause most seem to take it like a "Yes, I have read the Terms and conditions" if you know what I mean :p Though you guys might do this now, I'm not sure.
 
Jay said:
Teal, what I mean is, the java client is a bit discrete, being in the top right corner. It just sits there and doesn't get any attention. It also sucks. Many people can't get it to work.
I was replying to KA.

DNA is the mod of our hearts.
 
LORDY JONES said:
I think PokéBeach could be greatly improved with the addition of a button that shows appreciation for posts. Facebook has "Like," the Gym has "Thank," Smogon has "Luvdisc," Gaia has "Tip," all to show that you liked a post without having to make a second post saying so. It reduces the urge to spam with posts like that, rewards good posts and makes members feel good when they get tipped/liked/luvdisc'd/thanked a lot.

this so many times

i pointed this out forever ago and i was told that it would be abused (just like badges)?

but that's honestly really stupid

In addition to reducing spam, it also actually encourages people to make good posts. It would be even better if the number of times you were "tipped" showed up with every post alongside your profile picture, post count, etc. People try to post a lot so that people see that they have a lot of posts, and I am willing to bet they would do the same if a system like LORDY suggested were implemented.
 
I tried very hard to make it clear in the post above, but basically, making good posts would get you "tips."

If these "tips" were prominently displayed, people would want them.

As such, people would make good posts in an attempt to get "tips."

As for reducing spam, as LORDY said, it would discourage people from making spammy, shallow posts in order to tell other people that their post was good. They could just "tip" them instead.
 
Potential issues:

1) Members would tip just ones they found amusing, and not good posts.

2) You tip me, I tip you. (PokéBeach had something similar 3 years ago with grammar)

3) Members would continue to post spammy messages just to try for tips.

4) The number of members that would care about tips. (You can take that either way)

I am not against the idea, I just need a good sound argument for it.
 
People have left me messages on my profile for posts they've liked. I see no reason why others can't do the same. The proposed "like" button or its equivalent is really just being lazy.
 
PMJ said:
People have left me messages on my profile for posts they've liked. I see no reason why others can't do the same. The proposed "like" button or its equivalent is really just being lazy.

I disagree. I think that a message on someone's profile does not accomplish the same thing as a "like" button. For example, if somebody made a comment on Facebook that I liked, it would be silly to post "Hey, good comment" on their profile as opposed to liking it. For one, it does indeed take longer, and I honestly don't see it as a sign of laziness at all. In addition, posting on someone's profile with regards to a post you liked means that the information is not right there with the post. A third party could not look at the post and immediately know how agreeable it was. With a "like" system, the information would already be there.

omahanime said:
Potential issues:

1) Members would tip just ones they found amusing, and not good posts.

2) You tip me, I tip you. (PokéBeach had something similar 3 years ago with grammar)

3) Members would continue to post spammy messages just to try for tips.

4) The number of members that would care about tips. (You can take that either way)

I am not against the idea, I just need a good sound argument for it.

1) That is true. I will say, however, that I think only a select group of people would do that, whereas the overwhelming majority would just "tip" posts that they actually thought were good.

2) Unfortunately, I don't think that this can be prevented. People will misuse any functionality, and you're right, I don't see this as an exception. That said, I don't think that it is the worst thing that could happen.

3) As I said with the first point, I think that the majority of members would not "tip" spammy posts. In addition, the system would still get rid of a different type of spam, the type that only exists because members post in order to show what posts they like. The only other way I would see to get rid of this type of spam is warning for it, but I think that it is always better to add functionality as opposed to preventing people from doing something.

4) If too many people cared about tips: I don't really see the problem. They would try to get "tips" and they would make good posts. If too few people cared about tips: I don't see this happening so long as the "tips" you have received are prominently displayed. However, if nobody cared about "tips," you could just get rid of them! It would be a failed experiment and there would be no harm done at the end of the day.

My basic idea is that I think a "tip" or "like" functionality would increase the quality of the forums. People would make good posts in an attempt to get "tips," and spam would be reduced because people would not need to post (or post to others' profiles) about a god post.

Vulpix Yolk tells me that a program called "grains of sand" ran in the TCG section but has been discontinued. I really feel that the reason for its popularity (or lack thereof) was because "grains of sand" did not equal bragging rights. If somebody could not see that you had a lot of them at a glance, then what's the point?

I see your points regarding member abuse of the system, however. Therefore, I think that at the very least, a "grains of sand"-esque program should be adopted in every forum, and that the number of decidedly good posts you had made should appear with your profile. Although this would not reduce spam like I think that a "tip" or "like" system would, it would at least increase post quality by enticing members with bragging rights that were available at a glance.
 
Can we get more ops/hops?

It's becoming a rare sight to have mods on. If there is one, there is usually only one and they are afk.
 
Well, people have been talking about like buttons and all, so I'll just join in.

I have to agree with the mods. Perhaps it could be open to only mods?
 
Jay said:
Can we get more ops/hops?

It's becoming a rare sight to have mods on. If there is one, there is usually only one and they are afk.
I resent that! I'm not always afk! ...But yeah, seriously. It is rather frustrating to be the only one who's an op and on a lot, and the server reset didn't help either (but I'm still working on that bit).

Unfortunately I don't have any recommendations at this time (well, no solid ones), but I'll be keeping my eyes open for people I think might do well.

Lucky Fire said:
I have to agree with the mods. Perhaps it could be open to only mods?
That'd be regulating who likes certain posts to a small handful of individuals. Were this system to be implemented, that might not be the best way to go about it.
Honestly, I agree with 6-Dimension and I think he brings up great point. There's no way to prevent any system from being exploited completely; nothing is foolproof. But at the same time, you need to look at how the good bits of it would outweigh the bad. I believe in this scenario there are more advantages to it than disadvantages, and if it doesn't work out, then hey, we take it away, no harm done.

Examples I can think of from the past.
The grammar and reputation system. That was exploited, so that was taken away.

The name change system. Same thing here. It got exploited and people lost the right to name-change; it's only been brought back in recent history. There are more restrictions to it though, but overall the system is pretty good. (Like I've mentioned before, I have absolutely no problem with the name-change system; it's just how people use it that disappoint me. I lump myself in here; I think I have the worst name-change of all. I can't wait for 2013.)

The profile comment system. It was something that was instituted and tested to see how it would go...and as it turns out, it's flourished beautifully! People are using profile comments to keep in touch all the time, especially for things that are too short for private messages. I use this system frequently and I love it.

I see absolutely no reason why a proposed like system need be any different. It could be restricted in some form or fashion (maybe a post count of X or higher), but it might not even need to be. And if it doesn't work out as planned, then...well, "you guys just wasted a privilege, so we have to take it away so you stop abusing it".

And to demonstrate my point, I'm going to say this:
I honestly wanted to just like Jay's post and all the ones 6-Dimension made as well, but since we don't have a like system right now I had to craft several paragraphs to express my point and then post them. Toodles!
 
I try and be on as much as I can, but I do have to work many hours a week.
 
Of course, arguing for a "like" button is useless if it's not possible.

Coding wise, could something like this be done?

@dragonguyarceusman
 
6-Dimension said:
because encouraging negativity is the healthiest thing you can do for a pokemon forum
Far more healthy than seeing people all go on a thread, like some "witty" post and then leave it totally alone. Then again, it's like asking which is healthier to ingest: Petroleum or Coal?
 
Zyflair said:
Far more healthy than seeing people all go on a thread, like some "witty" post and then leave it totally alone. Then again, it's like asking which is healthier to ingest: Petroleum or Coal?

petroleum is so dank man

But I do see your point as far as "liking" posts go.

I think that that would indeed be something that needs consideration: does the the ability to simplify the agreement with posts lead to a decrease in activity? I think not, really. It would lead to a decrease in posts that say "^this" or "I agree with this post 100%."

I think that if someone really has something interesting that they want to add to a thread, they will post it, and if all they want to do is "like" posts then that's okay, at least they are contributing a little.
 
6-Dimension said:
Of course, arguing for a "like" button is useless if it's not possible.

Coding wise, could something like this be done?

@dragonguyarceusman

Technically I could create a button, but it wouldn't do anything though since I can't edit files, only templates.
 
6-Dimension said:
I think that that would indeed be something that needs consideration: does the the ability to simplify the agreement with posts lead to a decrease in activity? I think not, really. It would lead to a decrease in posts that say "^this" or "I agree with this post 100%."

I think that if someone really has something interesting that they want to add to a thread, they will post it, and if all they want to do is "like" posts then that's okay, at least they are contributing a little.
I might not be active in certain parts of the forum, but as far as I can see, short and insignificant posts haven't really been that severe of an issue. Besides, those are technically spam, and such spammers usually are too inexperienced to be on the forums.
 
Jay said:
Can we get more ops/hops?

It's becoming a rare sight to have mods on. If there is one, there is usually only one and they are afk.

This is a good idea. There is quite a bit of time when there is no authority on chat. More ops could be utilized, one's that are on a lot, preferably.

I would recommend Darkvoid, but he seems to be unable to be modded on IRC :)
 
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