I know that I would definatly be willing to keep it active. Also, it could have a columnist or interviews with people like PMJ and WPM.
What do you want from us?
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I like the idea of a newsletter sort of thing. I understand it would be hard to setup, but once it got going I'm sure it'd gradually get easier. I do see the idea working for a few months, but then dying out. Also I don't know how much interest there would be in it.
If it got a slot on the front page then I'm sure that people would be interested then.
I think that the newsletter thing on the website would be a great idea.
I think that the forums are way to spread out.
cool kid master555 said:
So... what? This is a statement, not a suggestion. It isn't good enough to simply say something that is "wrong" - you must then say how it should be changed as well.
Besides, what exactly do you mean "too spread out"?
I do not know what he means by to spread out but I think that he is saying that there might be to many forms in which i disagree. But i would like to have more redshark stuff and a leader board for it I just started using it and I see it as something that might be good or usful. I would like to see an article on TCG every week by one member or alot of memebers writing it together. I mean lets face it we have better articles then any other form. BUT! We do not have enough people posting them becausue I think that people are afraid they might get rip[ed on to much. I would also like to see the mods that are inactive not be mods anymore I know that some of the mods have not posted or moded stuff in ages that I have seen (I think CHeetor and some others I just don't know).
Other then that I would like someone to help/ Explain things to noobs better for the VG and TCG. I mean if I went and posted something like a team. It would be locked because it is not competitive I have seen it happen but they don't say why it is not competivitve.
I think that that is it butttttt
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Other then that I would like someone to help/ Explain things to noobs better for the VG and TCG. I mean if I went and posted something like a team. It would be locked because it is not competitive I have seen it happen but they don't say why it is not competivitve.
I think that that is it butttttt
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I don't get why you guys are attacking Dark Marc, all he did was answer the thread question. I also believe it was a completely valid question...
Yes, yes, forum improvement is dependant on the members who post there, it's simple logic that we all know. But simply telling people to post more is very unproductive because the reason why they don't post in the first place is due to the sorry state our battling community is currently in. It's a loop: Forum is bad because members don't post, members don't post because forum is bad. But it's not down to the members to break free of this loop, that's the job of the mods, you guys who are attacking Dark Marc.
I've mentioned it before, but to be honest I feel you have all been quite rude so I'll bring it up again-- how about some activity from you guys? We have the Gym Challenge, but what about posting more in the other forums? I know full well you all can add something there and yet I see hardly anything. So before you go around whining and blaming our own members, maybe you should question your own level of activity first, and stop victimising those who are simply stating their opinion.
My post no doubt comes across as quite harsh, and I intend no offense, but if you are all serious about improving the state of the forums then drop the negative attitude and do something! And if that something does not work out, try harder!
Yes, yes, forum improvement is dependant on the members who post there, it's simple logic that we all know. But simply telling people to post more is very unproductive because the reason why they don't post in the first place is due to the sorry state our battling community is currently in. It's a loop: Forum is bad because members don't post, members don't post because forum is bad. But it's not down to the members to break free of this loop, that's the job of the mods, you guys who are attacking Dark Marc.
I've mentioned it before, but to be honest I feel you have all been quite rude so I'll bring it up again-- how about some activity from you guys? We have the Gym Challenge, but what about posting more in the other forums? I know full well you all can add something there and yet I see hardly anything. So before you go around whining and blaming our own members, maybe you should question your own level of activity first, and stop victimising those who are simply stating their opinion.
My post no doubt comes across as quite harsh, and I intend no offense, but if you are all serious about improving the state of the forums then drop the negative attitude and do something! And if that something does not work out, try harder!
bacon said:
Ok, here's the deal as far as I see it. I'll warn you now - this might get kinda caustic. Needless to say I'm not too impressed with this post here.
Marc is getting "attacked" as you say because his post wasn't at all constructive. Just look at the way it's worded/formatted - do you honestly think we need people like that around? We're not interested in such cynical views on our practices, especially when they do absolutely nothing to actually help.
As for posting in other forums... right, let's break it down with what we have:
Rate My Team is something I can't post in much right now, since I don't have a team to write up and virtually every non-lockable team in there is VGC (which I despise with a passion, and will never get into). So it's pretty obvious why I'm not in there.
I don't run tournaments or suchlike, so clearly that isn't my area either. Canalave is dead; only reason it's up there is because APPARENTLY according to Zack a lot of people get redirected there from google, so it gets a lot of views or w/e. So yeah.
That leaves 4th Gen competitive discussion. What is there to even discuss? Nobody posts any questions anymore (any why do are more quickly answered by others, and unless something is unclear I won't post "yeah that's right" or w/e), and it's not as if there's some big new shiny topic to go out and discuss. You've already made the unusual sets thing (again, I have nothing to contribute there right now), and it's not like we have to discuss Latias's tiering or clause removal or banning SR or some bs like that. We COULD, but if the REST of the forum is anything to go by the vast majority of posts are going to end up as two-line things that don't even contribute to the topic in the first place, bar about 5 people.
So then what. We kinda want to set up a tutor thing, but guess what; we don't have enough qualified people around to do that right now (I wouldn't trust half of the leaders to be good tutors either btw, just saying... heck, I barely know if I'd trust myself atm - it's not like I play huge amounts right now). At the risk of overstating the obvious, we don't exactly have the discussion that brings in decent discussion, but BECAUSE of that we don't even have enough decent people to help those that are ON our forums to improve.
So what exactly are you expecting here? Just because we're mods doesn't mean we have this magical ability to make people better battlers/have better discussions etc. Us being more active in an area that doesn't make the members themselves any more capable of intelligent posting than before.
You know, it's all well and good you (especially you, seeing as how you've already tried from the mod side) to sit there saying "if you actually want this to work, do something about it!", but in reality... given our position, I just don't see it. I can almost guarantee you that if I was to try and put a discussion thread in the comp. discussion now it would get about 10 intelligible posts at most. I could probably even tell you who would put those posts in as well (surprise surprise, half the leaders aren't in there). As unfair as that sounds, it's the truth, and no amount of me/you/other mods/leaders posting these threads (which are rather limited in number, as you should remember from your attempts at that) is going to change that just now.
Rude or otherwise, that's the facts as I see them. I should probably end this now before it actually gets venomous... I will probably try to come up with something that can actually be discussed in comp. discussion, but based on the previous attempts at this I'm not gonna hold much hope out right now.
there are like 10 sections, and it makes the forums larger than they are. Maybe things like the competitive and casual 4th gen. could be moved back together.gamercal said:
Heh, predictable as always aren't I? It was so obvious that "card" was gonna be played... well then.
The only reason I even posted that is because your post really got me agitated. Yes, I know there is more than just me, and when I speak on these matters I really can only speak for myself (again speaking for myself here I don't have old teams that aren't already on the forums to show either! Frustrating Onions was my last competitive team worth rating, and it is in the archive, so lol). This is part of our problem with addressing your "others need to post more" thing - they don't even respond to things like this <_<. When considering the already limited number of people we have, frustration quickly sets in, and posts like my last one come out as a result.
My whole "you left" thing wasn't actually a dig at you at all, it was more saying that since you've been on both sides it's easy for you to sit there and say "do something". It was never anything against what you tried to do in the past (THAT part was more me saying "well, we could try this, but you've already tried that and it didn't work, so what's the point"), and I really hope it wasn't taken that way.
Regarding tournies, Pride has specifically taken that one on as he is better equipped to do so, so that's why I said it's "not my area". With respect to front-page tourney stuff... well, unfortunately that isn't UP to us, as we don't have ACCESS to the front page. It's not like we didn't ask for the Gym League to be advertised on the front page you know... but we do have another big tournament planned at least.
Aaaaaaaaaand that will do from me for a bit. If I see the other leaders on, I will make a point of directing them to here and seeing if we can actually get them to post more. We'll see if that works... and MAYBE we can actually get something minor done here. Just possibly.
/me still isn't holding out yet though... dedication from more than just him and Pride/Plato has to be seen first...
The only reason I even posted that is because your post really got me agitated. Yes, I know there is more than just me, and when I speak on these matters I really can only speak for myself (again speaking for myself here I don't have old teams that aren't already on the forums to show either! Frustrating Onions was my last competitive team worth rating, and it is in the archive, so lol). This is part of our problem with addressing your "others need to post more" thing - they don't even respond to things like this <_<. When considering the already limited number of people we have, frustration quickly sets in, and posts like my last one come out as a result.
My whole "you left" thing wasn't actually a dig at you at all, it was more saying that since you've been on both sides it's easy for you to sit there and say "do something". It was never anything against what you tried to do in the past (THAT part was more me saying "well, we could try this, but you've already tried that and it didn't work, so what's the point"), and I really hope it wasn't taken that way.
Regarding tournies, Pride has specifically taken that one on as he is better equipped to do so, so that's why I said it's "not my area". With respect to front-page tourney stuff... well, unfortunately that isn't UP to us, as we don't have ACCESS to the front page. It's not like we didn't ask for the Gym League to be advertised on the front page you know... but we do have another big tournament planned at least.
Aaaaaaaaaand that will do from me for a bit. If I see the other leaders on, I will make a point of directing them to here and seeing if we can actually get them to post more. We'll see if that works... and MAYBE we can actually get something minor done here. Just possibly.
/me still isn't holding out yet though... dedication from more than just him and Pride/Plato has to be seen first...
Kay. Time to defend the position.
Yes there are new mods, and several old mods BUT several of those mods do not play the games often or competitively making it difficult for them to actually mod those areas. So really it is down to four mods that actually do real work in the section, and up til a week ago it was only two.
We are working on this. You can obviously see that the video game section as been broken down into smaller sections and that we ARE working on making the forums better. We have thought about other activities and projects to encourage more posting and activity BUT we need people to actually post on the matter.
Yes I remember you setting up several discussion threads but before you lump me in the whole 'that includes complaining people in this thread' you should remember that I virtually no internet. So I had no way to really help on the subject. But right now, we are in a transition period. And we are trying to work together now that we have a larger vg mod hopefully we'll get somethings rolling.
bacon said:
Yes there are new mods, and several old mods BUT several of those mods do not play the games often or competitively making it difficult for them to actually mod those areas. So really it is down to four mods that actually do real work in the section, and up til a week ago it was only two.
bacon said:
We are working on this. You can obviously see that the video game section as been broken down into smaller sections and that we ARE working on making the forums better. We have thought about other activities and projects to encourage more posting and activity BUT we need people to actually post on the matter.
bacon said:
Yes I remember you setting up several discussion threads but before you lump me in the whole 'that includes complaining people in this thread' you should remember that I virtually no internet. So I had no way to really help on the subject. But right now, we are in a transition period. And we are trying to work together now that we have a larger vg mod hopefully we'll get somethings rolling.
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To answer your #1, we'll see.
To answer your #2, if you're saying that we should set up the articles forum to where people can't see a posted article unless it's deemed good enough by a mod, that's definitely a possibility. As for other things regarding TCG articles, something is in the works. But I won't disclose full details now.
Ice Espeon said:
Do we know if the first one (and possibly the second one) will be possible?
I honestly couldn't tell you for the first one, seeing as how I have pretty much no experience with that sort of thing. As for awards... well, we'll see, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one yet because it would take a lot of planning to make sure the awards (whatever they would be) would be done fairly and without any sort of prejudice.
If I get time I will look into what sort of things would be needed for the "magazine" thing though. Again, we'll see. I would really need a big show from the members on that one though, seeing as how the emphasis would be as much on you guys as us to make a member-mod collab thing.
If I get time I will look into what sort of things would be needed for the "magazine" thing though. Again, we'll see. I would really need a big show from the members on that one though, seeing as how the emphasis would be as much on you guys as us to make a member-mod collab thing.
Tristan said:
I twas skipped
BTW Ignoreing the B and G fight I would like to say that in my op the video games have no specific format. You win on mostly luck not skill I think. I also think that the VG games are quite dumb. The person running it made TCG quite big and now he is not doing anything that I can see to make VGs more fun. I mean there are a few tournemnts and if you go there you have a small chance of getting in. Why play the VG games?
Remember I got skipped
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@Tristan: You do not win mostly on luck. While luck may affect battles, skill is more important. You could have someone like Gamercal and pair him against someone who never played before and Gamercal would come out on top in most of them, with or without hax.
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