BW/BW2 Why do people hate the 5th Gen so much?

[TheOtterBoy]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

PRetty much all Pokemon Gen. 5 designs lol, but ugh I hate how they did Muna and Gear the most. Gear is so unoriginal to be honest lol. and Muna is just a fat weird pig thing 0_o

Where is the originality on two purple blobs with faces?And don't say they are "original" because they really aren't.Munna is based on a Tapir,just like Drowzee

 

[Belarus]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

I've never really been partial to any one generation, namely because the new ones are going to always be better as far as game mechanics go, but each still had there flaws.

As far as personal favorites, here's how I rate the Pokemon generations:

3rd
2nd
1st
4th

I wasn't too thrilled with 4th gen, to be honest, but I honestly don't care about the ones I didn't like. I don't really understand why people say they want Pokemon that are simply designed, but when they get exactly what they want, they complain that the Pokemon look too much like actual animals.

I actually like most of the new Pokemon, and chances are, most people will forget what they said about them sucking when the games come out.

 

[Tarazuma]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

Gear is so unoriginal to be honest lol.

Unoriginal. UNORIGINAL?! I don't care if you hate Gear, that's your opinion. But to say it's "unoriginal" just makes beyond no sense, even from an unbiased perspective.

Gear is a completely original concept for Pokemon, especially compared to the 4th gen garbage. I mean seriously, what Pokemon fit your definition of "original" then? If you name one Pokemon based off an existing earth animal, your claim of Gear being "unoriginal" is invalid.

I'll give you one thing though: Gear is not original if you are comparing it to other series, as Digimon had a gear monster first. However, for Pokemon alone it's a completely new concept, as most Pokemon are based off real animals, so something like a living gear is a refreshing change of pace.

Also, I'm not saying all this just because I love Gear. For example, I absolutely HATE Munna and Musharna, but they are semi-original. They lose originality points for being psychic dream-eating tapirs, since Drowzee and Hypno already are. However, the fact that they are also based off those Japanese incense burner things is quite original.

 

[Metalizard]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

About Blastoise, I'll just say this: Now people say the cannons make no sense on Blastoise, but 10 or so years ago, when everyone loved Pokémon, nobody complained about that...

 

[Tarazuma]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

About Blastoise, I'll just say this: Now people say the cannons make no sense on Blastoise, but 10 or so years ago, when everyone loved Pokémon, nobody complained about that...

I did. I've been crictical of the designs since 1998 when it first came out, even as a wide-eyed early teen. In fact, I remember buying a figure set of Charizard and Blastoise, and I gave the Blastoise away to some kids, but Charizard is still on my window sill to this day

 

[Zalman]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

About Blastoise, I'll just say this: Now people say the cannons make no sense on Blastoise, but 10 or so years ago, when everyone loved Pokémon, nobody complained about that...

That's because back then, Pokémon was Pokémon. There was nothing to compare with since it was the first generation. Another fact is that most of us were kids at that time and kids don't go into detail. They just play the games and have fun - which is exactly what we should do too. I understand that it's fun to discuss, but I honestly think that everything would be opposite if the fifth (or fourth) generation switched places with the first. What if Kanto was going to be released in September instead of Isshu? Everyone would complain that they don't look like Pokémon. "They're running out of ideas! They should just quit Pokémon and stop the series!"

Well, see, the funny thing is, if they stopped the franchise, people would be complaining anyway.

The fanbase is so hard to please.

 

[Metalizard]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

I did. I've been crictical of the designs since 1998 when it first came out, even as a wide-eyed early teen. In fact, I remember buying a figure set of Charizard and Blastoise, and I gave the Blastoise away to some kids, but Charizard is still on my window sill to this day

eh, you're an exception...

My point is, in the times when Pokémon was more popular, people didn't really care if ditto was just a pink blob with eyes or if geodude was a rock with arms or voltorb was a living poké-ball. People just loved pokémon and that was it. I mean, it's how I saw the fandom back in the days. Since we're just kids we didn't mind if the desings were complex or simple or if metal cannons on a turtle made sense... At least, I didn't...

EDIT: Zalman, you already said exactly what I wanted to say... I agree, what we should do is have fun with the monsters like we did in childhood and don't care if it makes sense or not (although it's kinda hard since we're older now)... But that's why I don't really hate any single Pokémon species cause I just want to entertain myself with the creatures and forget about everything else... even if I don't like a pokémon very much, I catch it anyway...

 

[Widdi2k10]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

About Blastoise, I'll just say this: Now people say the cannons make no sense on Blastoise, but 10 or so years ago, when everyone loved Pokémon, nobody complained about that...

Yes, because accepting that a turtle can grow cannons out of his back is so much more difficult than accepting that this little tiny turtle can shoot thousands of gallons of water out of his mouth at will...

You can't really say that any Pokémon is believable, so using believability as a reason to like or dislike a certain creature is preposterous because none of these things called Pokémon are believable in the real world at all.

People hate on the fifth generation so much because we all fear change. It's uncomfortable, and unnerving that new Pokémon we have yet to be able to play with are out there.

Also with fan made Pokémon dominating the internet we tend to get our hopes up by liking them and wanting them and then when Nintendo reveals new Pokémon that are official we judge them against not only the previous generations, but on all the fakes that exist and we are left disappointed that we didn't get what we wanted.

I personally hated most of the new Pokémon at first, but have since grown to like them and accept that they are real and am now looking forward to playing with them. Are there still some I don't like or find uninspired (Gear, The Fire Monkey thing, Zoroark), but there are Pokémon from each generation that fit that bill (Magneton, Dunsparce, Gulpin, Spiritomb).

Give it at a few months and the 5th Gen will come around to most of us.

 

[Tarazuma]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

Zalman and Metalizard you both make good points. Most of the complaints I see about gen 5 are that they "don't look like Pokemon" and that makes no sense. As I said, the one and only Pokemon I could ever compare with a Digimon or something from another monster series is Blastoise, and that was in Gen 1.

From my own personal standpoint though, if Gen 4 was the first one, I seriously doubt I'd get into Pokemon in the first place. I was always a weird girl who was into monsters and villains and bugs and such. Gen 1 had a nice variety of weird creatures like Hypno and Alakazam, dangerous looking carnivores like Charizard and Nidoking, menacing bugs like Pinsir and Scyther, and "unconventionally cute" things like Weedle and Magnemite. So it really appealed to me on many different levels.

Of course, it also had rats, horses, and other lame cutesy stuff like Jigglypuff. But it was at least balanced between monstrous and cute, as was the 3rd gen. Where as Gen 4 is mostly cutsey wutesy herbivorous mammals, plants and fish. The latter 2 being stupid even from an unbiased perspective, as there are already WAY too many grass and water types, and of those over-abundant grass and water types, most of them are plants and fish -.-

Thankfully Gen 5 is bringing the balance back though. From my own personal perspective I see them sort of like this:

-Gear and Kurumiru are like Gen 1 style monsters
-Denchura and Shijika are like Gen 2 style
-Meguroko, Desukan, and Gigiasu are more of a Gen 3 style
-Emonga, Shimama, Yanappu, Chillarmy and the Minezumi line are Gen 4 style (bleh)

Then monsters like Rankurusu, Gochiruzeru, Koromori, Zoroark, Wooguru, Muuna line, Kibago line and Moguryu line have that new Gen 5 style vibe to them which I love. Those are just my views on the Gen 5 designs anyways, I'm not saying they deliberately modeled them after past gens or something, lol.

 

[Belarus]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

Also, I really don't get what people mean when they say that the new Pokemon "don't look like Pokemon", but then don't say what Pokemon are supposed to look like. I like to think of it as a member on another forum put it as that if they have a Pokedex number, then they are Pokemon.

 

[frostwind]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

what you said. if you didnt create the pokemon then you dont know if it is a pokemon or not. and it cant not look like a pokemon i mean really we dont 500+ dittos! every pokemon not from the same evo line is going to be really different so people need to get over it. and when pokemon do look similar we have debates and fight over if they are new evos/pre evos. either we get zekrom and reshiram that look to detailed and munna who looks to simple and a drowzee pre evo. (so glad its not)

 

[Metalizard]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

Yes, because accepting that a turtle can grow cannons out of his back is so much more difficult than accepting that this little tiny turtle can shoot thousands of gallons of water out of his mouth at will...

You can't really say that any Pokémon is believable, so using believability as a reason to like or dislike a certain creature is preposterous because none of these things called Pokémon are believable in the real world at all.

ikr, and you're right, it's no different but if there's no difference in terms of believability, why is it more acceptable for these people a turtle that shoots water through its mouth than a turtle that has metal cannons on its back? It's just a matter of taste... I personally think its cool but wtv...

And I'll just say something about the fandom (including me) complaining of the pokémon designs' creators and those who say that there are better fakemon than those we get. In digimon, they used to run a drawing contest and the winner's digimon was then officially recognized as a new digimon specie. One of the digimon that won was this thing:

When I saw this, I just made myself believe for the eternity that this is not a true digimon and I completly renegate it, whatever people tell me, this is not a real digimon to me... and that's one of the reasons I don't like digimon anymore (although I already don't like digimon for years).

So my point is: Gamefreak, do never let any fan try to create an official Pokémon...

 

[Tarazuma]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

Yes, because accepting that a turtle can grow cannons out of his back is so much more difficult than accepting that this little tiny turtle can shoot thousands of gallons of water out of his mouth at will...

You can't really say that any Pokémon is believable, so using believability as a reason to like or dislike a certain creature is preposterous because none of these things called Pokémon are believable in the real world at all.

Um, w-t-f? Who said anything about "believability"? I was talking about Blastoise's physical design. I'm not a fan of cybernetic deisgns, that's why I dislike Blastoise. In fact, if Pokemon was "realistic" I wouldn't have any interest in it. I don't believe anyone in this thread was talking about believability, we were critiquing the designs, so I have no clue where those comments are coming from.

I said Blastoise having cannons in its shell makes no sense because its the only Pokemon that suddenly becomes psuedo-cybernetic out of nowhere, without some kind of special item, or being a steel type or something. Hence being the only Pokemon I could compare to a Digimon from a design standpoint. (And before anyone says it, yes, I know he was 1st gen, but Magnemite/Magneton used to be pure electric then gained a steel type in Gen 2)

Also the fact that they classify it as a shellfish makes beyond no sense. I questioned this and tyranitard said "because it's a kids game". First of all that's not anything close to a reason, and secondly, I don't think even young children are stupid enough to see a creature clearly based on a turtle and think it's a shellfish. That's not about realism or believability, it's a matter of basic consistency. If they were trying to make it easy for kids to understand, or whatever, they'd classify it as the "big turtle" Pokemon or something.

 

[Metalizard]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

^you're right about the classification thing. But Pokémon class always sucks. I mean, Charizard (and a lot others) are "The Flame Pokémon"...>.<' And horsea is classified as "Dragon Pokémon" when it is based on a seahorse and only gains a Dragon type when becomes a Kingdra (which is the one that's really based on a seadragon)... but there're a lot of other examples...

 

[Kraai]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

People are going to complain about whatever they can find. It's a fact of life.
People can't handle the change. It's hilarious.

There's also those people who can't stand anything but 1st gen for some reason and complain about everything that's not 1st gen.

 

[Playerking95]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

I agree Tarazuma about the whole some 5th generation pokemon feel like they should be in other generations except the only change i would say is that maybe the stupid Crocodile maybe fits in better to the 2nd generation or the 3rd Generation but that's my opinion.

 

[Dizzard]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

Many video games that I've anxiously awaited and have gotten a lot of hype usually fall fowl to tons and tons of complaining so this is nothing new. I'm talking about games such as Sims 3 and Super Smash Bros Brawl. The amount of complaining about those games in the lead up to their release was pretty unbearable at times too. (Probably more the Sims 3 than brawl) However when the games actually came out all was quiet (mostly) and everyone started enjoying them.

 

[Lugiafanatic]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

People aren't used to change, and this is different than any other generation so far.

 

[tyrannitard]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

@tarazuma, correction: i said it was a JAPANESE kids game. its probably a translation error

 

[Tarazuma]

RE: Why do people hate so much the 5th Gen?

@tarazuma, correction: i said it was a JAPANESE kids game. its probably a translation error

Oh, ok, good point then lol. I thought you were saying it because of the "kids" part, but yeah, it very well could be a translation error.