(1) Ninfia's English Name: Sylveon [2/14]

[Zielo]

I don't know what all this nonsense is about types and colors. Colors do not determine type but can only sometimes imply it. Its as simple as that. I always use Buizel as an example argument for this.

But since all eeveelutions are very straightforward in correlation with design and typing, thats what leads me to believe this particular Pokemon is either Normal or Flying (or the possibility of a new type). If it was any other Pokemon, I would say it is wrong to assume a Pokemons type by color. Eeveelutions are just one of those exceptions.
I'd say Sylveon does in fact look more Normal than anything to me when it comes to the colors. But by the overall design itself not including colors, I would go with Flying. And then the possible new type that could even be the definition of this for all we know, if there will be one. (no more arguments on "there will never ever be a new type ever" please)

 

[Frost]

The in-game color classifications are questionable at times to say the least. Did you know that Mantine is apparently purple?

 

[Mitja]

But since all eeveelutions are very straightforward in correlation with design and typing, thats what leads me to believe this particular Pokemon is either Normal or Flying (or the possibility of a new type).

But all eeveelutions also have an obvious type implied in their name. If any of them were revealed we would have no problems deterining its type solely from that.

If Sylveons colors just as obviously implied any type, we wouldn't be going on about it for weeks. If it was completely plain or an oversized Eevee, then I'd see that this holds for Sylveon too. But now, we got the first eeveelution where color doesn't mean a thing, the name is mysterious and the design is unexpected.

But by the overall design itself not including colors, I would go with Flying.

What in the design makes you say that?
The Flying type has no poorly known different meaning in its japanese name like Dark...its pretty straight forward.

 

[MewtwoPrevails]

Like many others, I'd say that the reason Nintendo "leaked" this Eeveelution without revealing its type is that they're planning something big.

If [Sylveon] finally comes out and ends up being Flying or Normal, there's certainly going to be a LOT of pointing fingers and "I told you so"s, but all this hype can't just fizzle out like that.

The last time they added a new type was in Gen2. And although there are several that will disagree with this next statement, the Pokemons of Gen5 were nowhere as good as any of the others. Not in terms of stats/type distribution, but the pokemon itself. I mean, Klink? Really?
It's high time they introduced something radically new.. Gen2 had Dark and Steel. Gen4 had the special/physical split. I dare say There's at least one new type in Gen6 and there's no better way to publicize and build up hype for it than to "leak"/release an Eeveelution that has everybody pulling their hair out.

I won't venture as far as to guess what this new type might be (I mean, who would've guessed steel? Not me, for sure), but Sylveon's definitely not a type that we're aware of.

After all this heated discussion, nobody's managed to say for sure what type it looks like. If it isn't a new type, Sylveon is DEFINITELY the worst-designed eeveelution till date. As others have pointed out, every other Eeveelution screams its type. Think about it.

 

[KVE493]

Maybe that is an excellent argument for it being a NOormal type then??

I mean face it, every EEveelution has indeed screamed his type from miles away. This one does not so, why not a Normal type,?

 

[MewtwoPrevails]

Two reasons-
1. A normal Eeveelution would just be boring. I mean, what's the point?
2. A normal Eeveelution would be way too boring.

The only way Nintendo might be able to pull off a normal Eeveelution (AND get away with it too) is if they made Sylveon a pseudo-legendary and gave her ridiculously good stats. And that's not likely. At all.

Moreover, it's this hype. Everybody's crapping their pants, even FIVE MONTHS before the release of the game. While it's bound to go down, it WILL NOT die or be resolved until october. And if people then find out that all that had been for a normal type, idk about you guys, but I'll definitely flip.

Also, Nintendo wouldn't show off Sylveon like that if it were normal.. They leaked it in order to get exactly the reaction they're getting from people like us in forums like this right now. They can't afford to pop the bubble with something so dull as a normal-type Eeveelution, of all things. Even an ugly, muscular, fighting type Eeveelution is a better idea than that.

 

[shitzon]

@KVE493:
That makes sense, kind of oô Abstinence of types = Normal xD But I still hope it isn't.

But by the overall design itself not including colors, I would go with Flying.

What in the design makes you say that?
The Flying type has no poorly known different meaning in its japanese name like Dark...its pretty straight forward.

It looks like a stereotypical kite with all this bows and straps Oo You know, they can fly and stuff.

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Maybe someone gonna hate me for picking that up again, but I just have to XD''
@ Metalizard, Mitja and everyone else involved in the "Lugia should be Water typed"-discussion:
You've lost the starting point of the discussion. While I really enjoyed your arguments, I just wanted to point out what I think about it, because ... I just want to ^^'' After all, we are here for discussions xD''
It kind of started with that:

That would be a mess.. The current types look proper and justified right now to me e_e
If they added types they'd change whats necessary accordingly, not hand them out randomly, this ain't the TCG.

What other type would you have in mind for Lucario? Psychic?

And Lugia looks perfectly fine for Psy/Flying o_o

After that, you started that Lugia-thing, but the topic first was how justified the types of Pokémon are, if I'm correct xD
I think too, that every Pokémon type kind of makes sense for them. It's not that GF throw them out randomly, really. But, as you've seen in the discussion, there are other types, that would fit too.

So, Lugia as "guardian of the sea" and stuff, could also be a Water type. Clearly, Psy suit it well, but I think that, if it was Water from the start, nobody would have thought that would be strange. But, because it's implied to have a relation to water, many are confused as it is now.
Or, another example. Fighting/Steel is awesome and so one, but Lucario just is so "unmetallic". The only things that could be "hard as steel" on its body are those little spikes. (Does it even attack with these things?) But the Pokédex always talks about its auro-theme going on, which highly sounds like Psychic. So yeah, maybe Psychic/Fighting or Fighting/Psychic would have fit better.
Or Gyarados and Charizard, which both are based on dragons, look like dragons, can learn Dragon attacks, etc. I know why they aren't Dragon types, but they could be and it would be reasonable.
Well, with Groudon... It kind of looks like a Fire type, so I hear from many people who got that wrong, and Fire could make sense, with all this magma and volcano stuff to create land, but, well, it's the incarnation of earth, so it should be Ground as it is.
But, what's about Jellicent? The creators wanted it to be Water, but they didn't have enough Ghost types in there, so they nearly randomly throw it on Jellicent. (That was told in an interview, I'd have to search if you want to read it...) Afterwards, they justified it with the hole "eating life force" thingy, so the type matches, but nonetheless, the point stand.

All I want to say with those examples: Not every type is as justified as Squirtles Water type. As some have seemingly get used to that, others maybe will be really surprised when Silveons type is revealed ;D

 

[Zielo]

But all eeveelutions also have an obvious type implied in their name. If any of them were revealed we would have no problems deterining its type solely from that.

Exactly why I believe the possibility of a new type this gen. Sylveon looks Normalish. Sylveon looks Flyingish. But Sylveon definitely doesn't scream any of these, as every other Eeveelution does. And the whole fairy/nymph theme it has going in its names would give enough background for a possible new type.

If Sylveons colors just as obviously implied any type, we wouldn't be going on about it for weeks. If it was completely plain or an oversized Eevee, then I'd see that this holds for Sylveon too. But now, we got the first eeveelution where color doesn't mean a thing, the name is mysterious and the design is unexpected.

Again... exactly why I'm anticipating a new type this gen. Everything about Sylveon is mysterious.

What in the design makes you say that?
The Flying type has no poorly known different meaning in its japanese name like Dark...its pretty straight forward.

Sylveon just looks very slender and aerodynamic. It has ribbons that look like they're flowing in the wind. The ribbons also remind of of a kite or a wind sock. The eyes are a light sky blue, which may or may not have absolutely nothing to do with it's type, but who knows.
One more thing I noticed, in the Genesect and Mewtwo movie trailer, the part with the Sylveon short clip, it was in a giant tree thing in the sky. Maybe ideal for a flying type environment? I also noticed Sylveon looked the tallest of the eeveelutions by far. Unless its just the position it's in.. I cant tell. (which means nothing, its just something I thought I'd point out) Oh, and lets not forget the speculation with the whole eeveelution type chart thing.


But despite the few possible design hints to it being flying, I still think a new type is just as possible. As stated previously, I don't think Gamefreak would bring up this much hype for something that already exists, and make an eeveelution look this mysterious either. Most of us were right about Nintendos announcement of 6th gen not being some lame Wii game from all that hype and buildup, after all.
Again, please no "there will never be a new type", because none of us know what GF will do. Keep in mind though that if they really wanted to do something in their games, they would get it done.


As a side note, does anyone think that GF and Nintendo will intentionally not release a huge chunk (or most) of the Pokemon before the games are even released? Think about it, I think it would be an amazing marketing scheme if no one knew what the Pokemon looked like and wanted to know badly enough. I know I would.
I honestly would approve of this, as much as I would hate having to wait months for the release, it would be amazing for the pokemon to actually be a surprise for once. I think thats what Satoshi Tajiri always had in mind when creating the concept for Pokemon.

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(Sorry for the double post.)

So I just rewatched the trailer again and noticed something else that steered me back towards Flying. Theres a cloud in the background of the poster logo.


So now for Flying, we have:
-this cloud in the trailer
-the slight aerodynamic appearance of its body
-the windsock/kite flowing ribbons
-the electric>flying type chart
-the environment in the trailer
-the possible Sylph= air element fairy in its name

For new:
- the mysteriousness and unobvious typing
- also the fairy and nymph in its name and unclear of what it means
- the buildup, why GF is so secretive if it isnt anything new


For Normal:
- The colors
- The overall "cutsey" design
- Bows are pretty normal
- If there is only going to be a single eeveelution this gen, and the last, I'd imagine they would want to go out with Normal. But I still have my heart set on them revealing a second one later.


I'd really say all 3 have pretty good arguments.... but for now im at 50% Flying, 30% new and 20% Normal.

 

[flilix]

I think that maybe corocoro is gonna reveal sylveon's type.
Does someone know when the next corocoro comes out?

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Like many others, I'd say that the reason Nintendo "leaked" this Eeveelution without revealing its type is that they're planning something big.

If [Sylveon] finally comes out and ends up being Flying or Normal, there's certainly going to be a LOT of pointing fingers and "I told you so"s, but all this hype can't just fizzle out like that.

The last time they added a new type was in Gen2. And although there are several that will disagree with this next statement, the Pokemons of Gen5 were nowhere as good as any of the others. Not in terms of stats/type distribution, but the pokemon itself. I mean, Klink? Really?
It's high time they introduced something radically new.. Gen2 had Dark and Steel. Gen4 had the special/physical split. I dare say There's at least one new type in Gen6 and there's no better way to publicize and build up hype for it than to "leak"/release an Eeveelution that has everybody pulling their hair out.

I won't venture as far as to guess what this new type might be (I mean, who would've guessed steel? Not me, for sure), but Sylveon's definitely not a type that we're aware of.

After all this heated discussion, nobody's managed to say for sure what type it looks like. If it isn't a new type, Sylveon is DEFINITELY the worst-designed eeveelution till date. As others have pointed out, every other Eeveelution screams its type. Think about it.

Yes, exactly. Nobody really knows what's the type of sylveon. And nobody knows what's xerneas' type neither. Xerneas is not grass, not fire, not water, not elektric, not ice, not bug, ... So probably they are both a new type

 

[Their Goominess]

I think that maybe corocoro is gonna reveal sylveon's type.
Does someone know when the next corocoro comes out?

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Like many others, I'd say that the reason Nintendo "leaked" this Eeveelution without revealing its type is that they're planning something big.

If [Sylveon] finally comes out and ends up being Flying or Normal, there's certainly going to be a LOT of pointing fingers and "I told you so"s, but all this hype can't just fizzle out like that.

The last time they added a new type was in Gen2. And although there are several that will disagree with this next statement, the Pokemons of Gen5 were nowhere as good as any of the others. Not in terms of stats/type distribution, but the pokemon itself. I mean, Klink? Really?
It's high time they introduced something radically new.. Gen2 had Dark and Steel. Gen4 had the special/physical split. I dare say There's at least one new type in Gen6 and there's no better way to publicize and build up hype for it than to "leak"/release an Eeveelution that has everybody pulling their hair out.

I won't venture as far as to guess what this new type might be (I mean, who would've guessed steel? Not me, for sure), but Sylveon's definitely not a type that we're aware of.

After all this heated discussion, nobody's managed to say for sure what type it looks like. If it isn't a new type, Sylveon is DEFINITELY the worst-designed eeveelution till date. As others have pointed out, every other Eeveelution screams its type. Think about it.

Yes, exactly. Nobody really knows what's the type of sylveon. And nobody knows what's xerneas' type neither. Xerneas is not grass, not fire, not water, not elektric, not ice, not bug, ... So probably they are both a new type

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CoroCoro will most likely leak on the 11th/12th.

And Xerneas could easily be existing types; a lot of people are speculating it as being a Psychic type. And I don't think it would be fair to Yveltal if only Xerneas got a new type (Xerneas would have all the hype of a new type and Yveltal would be pushed to the side a lot more). And a lot of people speculated Reshiram as a Light type (I thought it could be plausible myself), and it came out as Fire.
But I totally get all this about Sylveon's type. Knowing GF they could build it up and be secretive about it and then it comes out as a Normal type, or a Flying type, but like others have said, Sylveon doesn't immediately show it's type when you look at it's design, or it's name. I personally think it could be Flying.
Also, I can't really see a new type that would fit both Xerneas and Sylveon (but to be fair we hardly know anything about them).
EDIT: also, to do with your comment about no one knowing Xerneas' type, the types of legendaries are often kept quiet about until Shokotan posts them on her blog, so Xerneas' type being a mystery isn't really anything new - see Reshiram being speculated as a light type.

 

[Mitja]

Not to forget how they kept Kyurem formes types secret for way too long, and people kept speculating about the silly notion it would lose its Dragon type lol.

 

[Their Goominess]

Or that triple Types would be introduced and the formes would be Ice/Fire/Dragon and Ice/Electric/Dragon.

 

[Zielo]

Or that triple Types would be introduced and the formes would be Ice/Fire/Dragon and Ice/Electric/Dragon.

Lord that would have been confusing.

Not to forget how they kept Kyurem formes types secret for way too long, and people kept speculating about the silly notion it would lose its Dragon type lol.

I was one of the people that speculated the forms would have at least been Fire/Dragon and Electric/Dragon. It made since why they kept the Dragon since all 3 Pokemon had it. But meh.


Well, if that date above is correct for the corocoro leaks, you bet I'll be stalking pokebeach for those days.

 

[DorianBlack]

This thread has a supposed CoroCoro leak/description that seems pretty legit. There's no scans, but nothing about it screams fake, either. it's got Sylveon's typing listed as pure Flying, Xerneas's as Psychic/Ground, and Yveltal's as Fighting/Flying. It also says that Sylveon is 100% female.

And keep in mind that just because Game Freak is being secretive, it doesn't mean that something revolutionary like a new type is in the works. We actually have more information further out from release than usual (at this point before Gen. 5 the only thing we knew was that Zorua and Zoroark existed), so they're most likely just trying to space information releases out evenly.

 

[Metalizard]

I was one of the people that speculated the forms would have at least been Fire/Dragon and Electric/Dragon. It made since why they kept the Dragon since all 3 Pokemon had it. But meh.

Like, how would it make sense for the Kyurem formes to lose the Ice-type when their bodies still have parts covered in ice?

 

[jynxed]

Did Pokémon Smash tease any info or was it dry?

 

[Mitja]

Nothing.

 

[CleverClocks]

Sylvan is something associated with forests. I think Sylveon is probably a forest sprite, thus flying.

''Sylvan is something associated with forests. I think Sylveon is probably a forest sprite, thus Grass.''

^ Makes more sense..

I don't think it is because there is already a grass type, Leafeon. And I don't think they are repeating any types for Eeveelutions.

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I like Sylveon, both the English and Japanese names are pointing towards some kind of fairy/spirit and that could either mean normal or normal/flying. We've never had a pure flying type right? So it's unlikely we'll have it now.

I really want normal/flying.

There is one pure Flying type. Landorus!

 

[Their Goominess]

^Don't you mean Tornadus?

And I'm fairly sure that when it was revealed on Pokemon.com it was stated that it would have a different type to the other Eeveelutions (which is quite a no-brainer).

 

[flilix]

''Sylvan is something associated with forests. I think Sylveon is probably a forest sprite, thus Grass.''

^ Makes more sense..

I don't think it is because there is already a grass type, Leafeon. And I don't think they are repeating any types for Eeveelutions.

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I like Sylveon, both the English and Japanese names are pointing towards some kind of fairy/spirit and that could either mean normal or normal/flying. We've never had a pure flying type right? So it's unlikely we'll have it now.

I really want normal/flying.

There is one pure Flying type. Landorus!

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Its's Tornadus, not Landorus.