Durant makes me want to quit TCG

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DNA said:
You scoop, of course.
Psycho Drive every turn + Energy Retrieval/Fisherman. With resistance, Eviolite, and s Special Metal, Psycho Drive does exactly 70 damage. It would need to drop Defenders or something to stall out.
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The thing is you probably waste two turns to get Mewtwo out.
 
That means that the deck is worse than I heard it was! Awesome.

Now back on topic. This wasn't even the right thread to ask that question.
 
Okay, but still that's just ONE game, you're not going to start w/ machop every game and unless the guy is running hot on hammers(or in your case plays multiple lost remover) they're not going to discard an energy every turn.
 
CFOURCOLTSFAN said:
Okay, but still that's just ONE game, you're not going to start w/ machop every game and unless the guy is running hot on hammers(or in your case plays multiple lost remover) they're not going to discard an energy every turn.
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The first part is true, but the durant decks I seem to play against have 4 hammers, 2-3 lost removers, and 4 junk arm. Thats pretty well enough to kill all of your energy. I'm actually experimenting with that engine in other decks.
 
AmishEskimoNinja said:
The first part is true, but the durant decks I seem to play against have 4 hammers, 2-3 lost removers, and 4 junk arm. Thats pretty well enough to kill all of your energy. I'm actually experimenting with that engine in other decks.
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You say you hate Durant and it makes you want to quit because it gets rid of all your energy and never lets you attack.

So you try out the energy removal engine in other decks? I mean, really...
 
Durant isn't unbeatable. If you only lose to Durant and everyone plays Durant, play something that always beats Durant that is still fun to.play like Reshiphlosion
 
alexmf2 said:
You say you hate Durant and it makes you want to quit because it gets rid of all your energy and never lets you attack.

So you try out the energy removal engine in other decks? I mean, really...
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No I don't like Durant. Just durant. It just happens you need 56 other cards to build a deck.

My point was not that hammers/lost remover was bad, but that countering durant is a lot harder than 90% of the posters on this thread seem to think. Its not as simple as just getting out a pokemon that does enough damage.
 
Victini V-Create is a pretty bad counter to Durant. If you have a full bench, that's just a whole bunch of Catcher bait. If they can Catcher + Crushing Hammer/Lost Remover, your in serious trouble. And they can do that many times a game. All you need is something that can do around 90 damage for 3 or less energy.
 
AmishEskimoNinja said:
Two words. Lost remover.
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AmishEskimoNinja said:
The problem is I started with a Machop. And I had every energy I played removed. Machamp takes three energy to attack...

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AmishEskimoNinja said:
Against Cobolion, yes, its a decent tech. But not against durant. Here are the reasons:

1) They WILL lost remover any and all rainbows you put down. With junk arms they can get more lost removers than you can have rainbows in your deck.

2) they WILL crushing hammer the 1-2 fire energy you manage to fit in your deck. And if you are running more than that, you probably have a fire deck anyway!

3) You have to fill up your bench with basics they're going to catcher. Each catcher puts you down 1 energy, or a switch. Unless you run 5 pokemon with free retreats. If they're babies, your going to get donked too often for it to be an effective deck. That leaves Mew, Yanma, Sneasel, and Manaphy. So basically you'd be running a mew or yanmega deck, which shouldn't have that much difficulty with durant anyway

4) So many people think (erroneously) its a decent tech that durant players have started teching dittos in their decks. Sure, you can try and catcher it, but keep in mind durant runs 4 revives.
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AmishEskimoNinja said:
In my game that I think you're referring to:
1) Every single turn he discarded an energy. I had a maximum of one energy all game. So no damage of any kind occurred.
2) The game I played, I started machop, so Landorus or terrakion would not have helped me, because he would have just kept catchering the machop.
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On 4 different accounts, you complained about crushing hammer and lack of your energy. I mean, seriously. There will be decks you don't like. Yes, durant is not a mainstream deck. But, it is all a matter of opinion. You hate it. Others like it. Just stop complaining and practice the durant matchup.
 
AmishEskimoNinja said:
No I don't like Durant. Just durant. It just happens you need 56 other cards to build a deck.

My point was not that hammers/lost remover was bad, but that countering durant is a lot harder than 90% of the posters on this thread seem to think. Its not as simple as just getting out a pokemon that does enough damage.
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It's not 90% hard. Hell, my CoKE L can beat Durant.
 
pokemonjoe said:
On 4 different accounts, you complained about crushing hammer and lack of your energy. I mean, seriously. There will be decks you don't like. Yes, durant is not a mainstream deck. But, it is all a matter of opinion. You hate it. Others like it. Just stop complaining and practice the durant matchup.
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Without crushing hammer and lost remover durant would not work. But durant is the card I hate. I don't see what the problem is with that. Durant has not variety, depth of strategy, or creativeness. And its really the alternate win condition that really bugs me. I know the best way to win against it is to take a prize or two and ultra stall, but I don't like playing that way. I don't play to win. I play for fun.

Now on the other hand, lost remover or crushing hammer in a different deck could work into a very interesting strategy. For instance, run it with scizor, to discard their basic energy, and leave them with only specials. Something like that.
 
AmishEskimoNinja said:
No I don't like Durant. Just durant. It just happens you need 56 other cards to build a deck.

My point was not that hammers/lost remover was bad, but that countering durant is a lot harder than 90% of the posters on this thread seem to think. Its not as simple as just getting out a pokemon that does enough damage.
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PokemonJoe pretty much summed it up, but I'll add to him.

100% of the posters on this thread have played against Durant before. And guess what? 99% of us know how to beat it, and we have been telling you, but you just don't care. Durant IS NOT unbeatable in any shape or form, and it is blatantly your bad strategy and choices if you will not take help from others, and instead choose to whine and complain against a perfectly beatable deck.
 
Fine. Somebody give me an effective Durant build and I'll prove two things:

1) Someone with 0 experience playing the deck can win because it takes very little skill to play
2) Durant only loses to bad matchups. And almost always wins to normal decks.

Post what deck you intend to face me with on PlayTCG and we'll have the group evaluate whether or not its a bad matchup.
 
AmishEskimoNinja said:
Fine. Somebody give me an effective Durant build and I'll prove two things:

1) Someone with 0 experience playing the deck can win because it takes very little skill to play
2) Durant only loses to bad matchups. And almost always wins to normal decks.
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1) Sure. If someone is good enough to build an okay decklist, they can win with it, thats not the end of the world.

2) Durant DOES NOT ONLY LOSE TO BAD MATCHUPS. For gods sake, listen to other people! CoKE is one of Durants best matchups, and Riskbreakers just said he can win with it. The only single autowin Durant has is EelZone! Everything else is fair game! Just learn to adapt to the format, and play something other than Machamp. You shouldn't even be playing Machamp in this format in the first place!
 
AmishEskimoNinja said:
^So I'm asking you to prove that. Go ahead. Put your rep on the line. I'm challenging you.
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You don't need to prove that. I am agreeing with you that it is true, a not so good player can win with Durant.
 
Also, someone needs to PM me a durant deck they swear by. I'm not spending the time to figure out the best build.... Rest assured I have zero intention of playing it besides making this point.

alexmf2 said:
You don't need to prove that. I am agreeing with you that it is true, a not so good player can win with Durant.
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Thats not it. If you're so sure my point #2 is wrong, than prove it. Are you declining?
 
About to play AmishEskimoNinja who is playing Durant with my Reshiboar, ChandyPlume, and Tornadus/Celebi. None of them have techs for Durant.
 
Ok, so of that list
1) Trainer lock is a terrible matchup. So that one won't prove anything.
2) Reshiboar is fire and also a terrible matchup. So that also won't prove anything.

Tornadus/Celebi is the only one that doesn't have a bad matchup. Any disagreements?
 
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