Inactivity and the source of it.

RE: Inactivity.

maybe WPM should make reading the rules one of the procedures when members create their account lol.

anyway, im sick and tired of seeing " what is the strongest card""which is the best deck?" sort of threads, they annoy me !

And there's literally no fun at all posting a thread abt a card (in Tcg dis). Noobs give not-so-useful info or comments OR the thread dies off very quickly. (why? look at paragraph 2)

IMO, reading a long reply is one of the best thing in the world. U gain a lot of knowledge by reading them (one of the ways i used to become better at this game right now)

we will surely need mods to lock useless threads so that a cycle like this wont happen :

- noobs post which is the strongest card thread

- pro comes. Annoyed by the threads, he leaves.

- noobs gain 0 info, still noob, makes another thread after the old thread die off.


BTW, i would also wanna comment abt the deck forum. The decks there are so rogue it cant win any tournaments....
 
RE: Inactivity.

You guys apparently have the definition of n00b wrong. A n00b is a player who is new to a game, and askes questions that they are currently intrested in. Someone asking 'Whats the Best Deck?' isnt a bad thing. They are intrested and they want to know. It could be for several reasons. Maybe they are looking for a deck they want to play. Maybe they want to know what to look for. Who knows?


Who you are calling n00b, is actually a Spammer. A Spammer=/=n00b and a n00b=/=Spammer. Everyone in the thread has said 'I hate n00bs because they spam and say stupid stuff.' Well, 9/10, they're Spammers, not n00bs. A Spammer is someone who acts immature a puts NO thought into thier post. Now, a n00b might spam due to lack of knowledge of what a good post is, but I'm not talking about that.

I left this place mostly because of the high amount of SPAMMERS...While yes, n00bs CAN be annoying. But its not thier fault. And yes...More than 30% of the people on this forum are indeed, n00bs. But then more than 60% of the people on this forum are SPAMMERS. Thats leaves 10%....10% of the people on this forum usually put thought into their posts. Please realize that those %'s are guesstamites(fun word..)...

I say, dont hate the n00bs, hate the Spammers.

Peace,
Tyler
 
RE: Inactivity.

TylerM said:
You guys apparently have the definition of n00b wrong. A n00b is a player who is new to a game, and askes questions that they are currently intrested in.
Apparently you have your definitions wrong.

A 'n00b' is someone who is inexperienced, usually highly annoying and excessively loud for no reason at all. Most spammers on this forum fit into this category, so when we say 'n00b' we also mean spammers.

A 'newb' is someone who is new and also inexperienced, not being annoying but curious about new information relating to a subject and wanting to get better by learning.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Agreed, that's how I've always seen it. But then internet lingo has never been a strong point of mine, newb could be a freshwater fish for all I know.

As was said before, making people read the rules is easier said than done. We can't physically force them too, and I see no plausable way in which to make noobs sit down and be... be normal. I can think of a few ways to get around the noob epidemic (lol) but all of them would involve a hefty load of programming on WPM's part.

So yeah, I'm just going to try and make more interesting threads now. Please follow my example guys ^-^;

PS: I left the capital out of my name on purpose, it's a tribute to my inner noob. Plus I just wanted to be different ;)
 
RE: Inactivity.

The Inner Noob....

And, yeah. I'll start making some nice, discussionable threads to discuss (lol).
 
RE: Inactivity.

I never actually had a capital, but then again, I have a huge inner noob :p (and was a serious noob when I joined at 1st, I warn you to do no look at my very 1st decklist, unless you want to die lolling [Mind you that I actually had a decent deck at that time, but somehow I thought that one was better, I still don't get it, I won a tournament with this great deck of mine, and then I suddenly switched to that deck...])

I think the last thread by me was like months ago, I'll try to maybe possibly come up with interesting stuff to discuss, with vacation coming up and stuff, but don't expect much though :)
 
RE: Inactivity.

n00b =/= Spammer all the time. Yeam a n00b can be a spammer as well, but you cant catoragize(sp?) a n00b as a spammer off the bat.

n00b=Newb. Its just some random person decidide(sp?) to say n00b and it stuck.
 
RE: Inactivity.

It's just some people have different definitions of newb/n00b...

Bottom line, something must be done about the volume of spam and unintelligent discussions around here, as most of you here stated. I also agree having them read SN's Guide will put them in the right direction, but as mentioned too, not every newb/n00b is going to do that...

Shawn out.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Also, just because they read in doesn't mean they put it to use. The worst part about all these n00bs (That are also spammers.) is that they post in any section to say they're new. Maybe a "New To PokeBeach?" forum would help.

Also, I believe that if we can create enough intelligent discussions, we can draw in some of the better new members into the new discussions.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Well, that Pokemon that Needed Evolutions.....But Never Got Them thread I made has got a bunch of intelligent conversation.

We need more of those threads!
 
RE: Inactivity.

Not to be pessimistic, but no matter how many intelligent threads made, the n00b rate probably will not decline. After all, it does seem that we're trying to get rid of n00bs' n00bishness more than get competitive and professional players back. So, which are we really trying to support the most? That's a dumb question, obviously, as any forum will try to do both. But, I don't know, looking at other forums for examples may be the trick.

Shawn out.
 
RE: Inactivity.

I thought of that too.


You know, if we create really intelligent threads that the n00bs know practically nothing about, then maybe some of them will want to know more about battling, and they may want to be the best trainer they can be, thus beginning their journey out of n00bism.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Togeshroob said:
You know, if we create really intelligent threads that the n00bs know practically nothing about, then maybe some of them will want to know more about battling, and they may want to be the best trainer they can be, thus beginning their journey out of n00bism.
No, brains don't work like that. Knowledge and understanding about topics or concepts are, in a simple way, age related. If you create an intelligent thread which is really only meant for the professionals then n00bs wont be able to understand it obviously because they lack the operations for such an understanding. Children move between different stages of thinking, which I wont explain. Basically anyone under the age of 12-15 has trouble comprehending more advanced material because they lack abstract thinking. I'm trying to avoid going into developmental psychology because no one will understand it, but basically creating 'highly intelligent thread topics' is not always a good idea. You're more likely to confuse them then want to get them interested in understanding about it.

Even if you did post a topic like that and the majority of n00bs who read it would simply spam post and say "What?", "I don't understand" or "You post too much". Sometimes the easiest explanation is not a simple one and requires people to actually think and reflect on it (OMG EFFORT!).

I've found that on Pokebeach most n00bs avoid reading posts which actually contain some form of length in them. It's out of their attention spans to concentrate on a post which isn't more than 1 spammy sentence long. Oh noes, they have to read and concentrate! It's also a reason why I tend to post much longer replies because it filters out the n00b responses (they just don't bother reading them) and leaves the more knowledgeable people to reply. If I ever do write about a certain topic then I will purposely make it a long post so n00bs avoid it. Kinda a neat strategy to use on Pokebeach because it has worked (mostly) every time. You can still create a simple topic area which can be discussed but the mere post length and effort needed to make a meaning of it all usually keeps the n00bs away. You should all try it some time.
 
RE: Inactivity.

i seriously think that we need to make lessons threads every X days to "teach " the newbies to become better. Next, pokebeach will be better, and then pro will come, cycle continues.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Abhorsen said:
Togeshroob said:
You know, if we create really intelligent threads that the n00bs know practically nothing about, then maybe some of them will want to know more about battling, and they may want to be the best trainer they can be, thus beginning their journey out of n00bism.
No, brains don't work like that. Knowledge and understanding about topics or concepts are, in a simple way, age related. If you create an intelligent thread which is really only meant for the professionals then n00bs wont be able to understand it obviously because they lack the operations for such an understanding. Children move between different stages of thinking, which I wont explain. Basically anyone under the age of 12-15 has trouble comprehending more advanced material because they lack abstract thinking. I'm trying to avoid going into developmental psychology because no one will understand it, but basically creating 'highly intelligent thread topics' is not always a good idea. You're more likely to confuse them then want to get them interested in understanding about it.

Even if you did post a topic like that and the majority of n00bs who read it would simply spam post and say "What?", "I don't understand" or "You post too much". Sometimes the easiest explanation is not a simple one and requires people to actually think and reflect on it (OMG EFFORT!).

I've found that on Pokebeach most n00bs avoid reading posts which actually contain some form of length in them. It's out of their attention spans to concentrate on a post which isn't more than 1 spammy sentence long. Oh noes, they have to read and concentrate! It's also a reason why I tend to post much longer replies because it filters out the n00b responses (they just don't bother reading them) and leaves the more knowledgeable people to reply. If I ever do write about a certain topic then I will purposely make it a long post so n00bs avoid it. Kinda a neat strategy to use on Pokebeach because it has worked (mostly) every time. You can still create a simple topic area which can be discussed but the mere post length and effort needed to make a meaning of it all usually keeps the n00bs away. You should all try it some time.

So, in this theory, the n00bs won't bother reading the forum rules and SN's Guide?

Shawn out.
 
RE: Inactivity.

CCloud said:
So, in this theory, the n00bs won't bother reading the forum rules and SN's Guide?

Shawn out.
Put it this way:

If you signed up to a forum and was required to read something as big as SN's guide for new forum members would you REALLY want to do it? Most people wouldn't, and if they did read any of it they really wouldn't read much before leaving it and moving on to post. Ever signed up to something or bought something and were required to read pages of Terms and Conditions? Most people don't.

If something is long and does not really interest someone then they just don't bother reading it. It's just human nature really.
 
RE: Inactivity.

That's true....I didn't think about that.


But, you know what we're doing right now? We've created an intelligent thread, where different people are discussing different sides and different points of the situation. This is the kind of thread that is fun to post in and discuss an intelligent conversation. This is the kind of thread that attracts experienced and "intelligent" members to post in them.

Well, since we can't really force them to read SN's guide (as most people won't), and we probably don't want to make a "No n00b Policy" (as that might scare people away), what else is there to do about this problem?
 
RE: Inactivity.

Of course you can't FORCE people to read the n00b guide or create any anti-n00b policies. That's being unfair on them despite no one really wanting to have n00bs on their forum anyway. We can recommend that they read SN's guide or to refer to it when they need to know about certain things but that's really about as far as we can go. It's not about getting rid of them, because it wont happen, and we can't "fix" them unfortunately.

Most of the n00bs on this forum are young. I'm going to guess that they range between 5 and 13, the majority that is. Most people in this age group are quite egocentric, meaning they focus on themselves a lot and fail to see other people's perspectives. They don't mean to do this, it's just part of their ways of thinking at this age. They also haven't developed abstract thinking and reasoning, which means they lack the ability to create intelligent threads and participate in them. It's not that they're dumb or stupid, but they can't discuss anything simply because they just can't. Forcing them to participate in intelligent discussion doesn't help them either and it's not going to make them any smarter any time quickly. Like I said above, they probably aren't interested in or don't bother reading long posts anyway which is why they avoid threads of serious discussion.

Technically there's not much we can do. Guidance and helping them develop their knowledge and skills in Pokemon, whether it be the TCG or videogames, is the most effective method to make them 'less n00bs' yet this takes time... a lot of time. However, there's just so many n00bs out there, we have over 5000 signed members to this forum, and there's such a limited amount of experts in Pokemon on this forum too. We can't help them all and each day more and more sign up. Knowledge and skill acquisition develops over many years and from practice and guidance. All we can do is be helpful but sometimes we're just drowned out by the spam that our message never reaches the people who need it the most...
 
RE: Inactivity.

That's basically what I've thought since this discussion began. You can't force someone to read a long guide like SN's or suspend their account for a day to avoid spammers. It will come to the point where no one will want to join. That's why I like the idea of a "New to PokeBeach?" forum. That way they can ask their n00bish questions and learn not to spam away from our Wi-Fi threads and gaming discussions ect.
 
RE: Inactivity.

maybe SN should've made the thread shorter as little kids have limited attention.

ie

1. dont bash other members.
2. dont post thread older than 2 weeks old
3. dont make thread titled " which ( ) is the best/strongest/u-like the most"

*end of thread

^ wont that be simple and easy?

and BTW, WPM shouldve made another forum for newbies. Then make attractive titles such as "how to be a pro"" make urself proer in 5 mins"

inside the thread, there should be a wide coverage of pokemon tcg deckbuilding skills, concept of combos, popular archtypes, metagaming, etc.

*Dear mods and WPM, plz give attention to ^
 
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