Inactivity and the source of it.

RE: Inactivity.

You should see how long Serebii's guide is. >_>

I've asked for a newbie forum before. Nothing happened. Well, my guide is to elaborate on the rules that WPM set up, and WPM's rules should be good enough for anyone to follow. My guide is just there for people who don't understand how to do a lot of things that cannot be stated in the rules. It's more like a PokéBeach Forums for Dummies rather than the Ten Commandments of PokéBeach Forums.

You understand what I mean?
 
RE: Inactivity.

Abhorsen has basically said everything so there's nothing for me to say; those were some of the points I was going to make. But here's a question, why are all of the noobs/newbs coming here and places like Pokegym, Serebii (as far as I know) don't have these noob/newb problems? Is there something about Pokebeach that attracts the noob/newb players to join...

All the n00bs and newbs reading this most likely do not know tht we are talking about them. I'm not sure if telling them what a noob/newb is would do anything but maybe it would make them aware of others, thus, as they grow older, know how to avoid posts and threads like that.
 
RE: Inactivity.

GODZILLA said:
I'm not sure if telling them what a noob/newb is would do anything but maybe it would make them aware of others, thus, as they grow older, know how to avoid posts and threads like that.
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Well it probably won't help in my opinion. People tend to think the best of themselves, so most of the n00bs out there actually don't think they're a n00b but class others as n00bs. I have seen people who don't class themselves as n00bs but it's so obvious that they are. I just don't say anything about it since it's more likely they'll be offended and react negatively to it than accept it and try to do something about it.

There has been progress though! I have seen a few intelligent threads out there recently with some pretty decent discussion and it makes me want to post again. I might start a thread up later if I can think of a fairly decent topic to generate discussion.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Yeah, we don't need to start intelligent threads to get n00bs to change. We need to start intelligent threads to have good conversations with some non-n00bs (or "intelligent" people). I think that you're right Abhorsen. Growing out of n00bhood is probably just a thing that comes with growing in age.

So, as I was saying, let's create intelligent threads, not to help the n00bs or anything, but to help interesting conversations go on, and to attract more advanced people to the PokéBeach Forums.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Just out of interest, is psychology the subject you're studying at uni Abhorsen?

And yeah, it never hurts to make intelligent threads, for whatever reasons. I'm very suprised actually, the one I've made in the miscellaneous forum hasn't been spammed up at all. That's a good sign.
 
RE: Inactivity.

bacon said:
Just out of interest, is psychology the subject you're studying at uni Abhorsen?
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Yeah, I do psychology at uni. We covered developmental psychology in excessive detail a while ago from birth to about 18 years old so I thought i'd just apply some of that information to Pokebeach.

N00bs are n00bs for a reason, it's not that they're purposely stupid but it's just the stage of thinking they go through at that younger age. Most people eventually grow out of it between 12-15 years old... but some never do.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Somehow I hope this will not turn into advanced psychology, with 2 people here studying it at uni. because then even non-noobs won't be able to follow...

Anyhow, age can matter, but I know a lot of 13-year old non-noobs, but also some adult noobs (I could start pointing fingers, but I won't :p). What I noticed is that noobs usually hang out with noobs and post in noob-threads, which makes noobs think that what the other noob is doing is not nooby, causing a chain reaction. And because the serious amount of noobs around here, noobs start learning from noobs, causing them to actually learn inaccurate, incorrect stuff and to become more of a noob than they originally were. So, yes, more activity from the more elite members should help solving the problem...

Just as an example, noobs don't just learn the noob-leet by themselves (most of the time), they see a noob POZT LIEK TIZ and they think "LOLZROS THAT ZO KOOL", yes some also think that typing in caps is cool without ever seeing someone talk like that before, and some just suffer from terrible grammar, but seriously, that can't be the reason for all of them...
 
RE: Inactivity.

cute-mew said:
Anyhow, age can matter, but I know a lot of 13-year old non-noobs, but also some adult noobs (I could start pointing fingers, but I won't :p). What I noticed is that noobs usually hang out with noobs and post in noob-threads, which makes noobs think that what the other noob is doing is not nooby, causing a chain reaction. And because the serious amount of noobs around here, noobs start learning from noobs, causing them to actually learn inaccurate, incorrect stuff and to become more of a noob than they originally were. So, yes, more activity from the more elite members should help solving the problem...
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Yes that is one of the problems I have been a little concerned with recently. Most of the time you can just correct them and it's not so much of a big deal but it has been happening in the TCG Questions section a lot more now. This is kinda serious since people then use that incorrect information in deck building and game strategy, then when someone questions them at a premier event they'll be shattered to find out they were wrong the entire time.. I see people ask questions and n00bs give incorrect answers. Seriously though, if you're not sure of a certain answer then you don't post but that doesn't stop n00bs anyway. There's been numerous times where i've had to step in and say "No you're all wrong, this is the answer...". I think Pokegym exceeds far past Pokebeach in this respect. They have the Compendium team there on the forum and a section where only those pros can reply to questions, no n00by answers from people who don't know what they're talking about. I'm not suggesting that we restrict who can reply to questions in the TCG Q section but I think it's a section which this is a problem in.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Well heres my opinion.....just accept them....obviously theyre going to be here....thats inevitable...[think I spelled that right....] Heres what we can do to make PokéBeach Forums a better place....

If you see a N00b making multiple threads or answering something wrong, just politely help them....post something like.

Hi, you must be new here.....I suggest you read the n00by guide....it might help you.

That way you can be A) Polite and B) still get the point across

As far as the age thing goes,most n00bs are kids....probably ages 6-12. I was 13 when I joined the site and within a month, I wasnt considered a n00b [at least I hope not] I think age should have nothing to do with being a n00b or not....all a n00b is a new person to the forums....I must say I had to ask alot of questions starting out as a forum member....its really unlike anything I've experenced. That was the good part of it though....I made alot of friends just asking questions.....most of the people were very nice....in fact my first friend on here, who I met by PM'ing him a simple question, went on to become a MOD....anybody not in the PMC to tell me who it is gets a cookie. lol

Well thats what I think.....
-B Ray
 
RE: Inactivity.

Abhorsen, do you really hate noobs?

Almost everybody who hasn't been on any forum before will go through a newb stage, i.e. me. I remember I posted "Good deck" in some thread in the Deck Garage... Lol.

While a newb can become a decent member, a noob is a noob, because they just came here to spam up the forums and are unwilling to read/heed the rules laid down by WPM.

The TCG section is not the only one with problems. I've heard many nonsensical questions in the video games section too.

Since our veteran members are older, therefore having a more busy agenda, the young ones (some extremely young) tend to have more free time and are not able to grasp the concept of what is spam and what is not even after reading the numerous rules etc.

But what I don't understand now is this: Are you trying to ignore the noobs and make intelligent discussion threads or make them outcasts?
 
RE: Inactivity.

Where did I say I hated n00bs? And 'hate' is such a strong word to use. I was merely bringing up some problems associated with them and how we might be able to do something about it.

I'm not trying to ignore them and purposely create threads which they can't participate it, that's not fair on them. I haven't created any threads for more serious discussion (i've only started 10 threads ever on Pokebeach) but that doesn't stop them participating in any other threads of more serious discussion. It's not like you see threads saying "No n00bs allowed", there's nothing stopping them from debating in serious threads at all. I'm a mod so it's impossible for me to ignore n00bs and pretend they don't exist since it's part of my job to deal with them, fix double posts/threads and clean up spam. We can't fix the n00b situation on Pokebeach, there will always be members who don't know much about a forum and the rules associated with it. It's important to help and guide them to what are the correct answers to questions and how to behave appropriately on a forum to reduce spam levels. That's what I have been trying to do for a long time.
 
RE: Inactivity.

It took me over a year to cut down on short posts and now most of them are longer but I do have some short ones still . Even though they are short they are not bad.:)
 
RE: Inactivity.

Rayquaza ex said:
May I change the topic to this thread? I'll change it to N00bidity and Inactivity.
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That would probably make more sense. Since no one is actually talking about inactivity. However, i'm sure most of the n00bs might start spaming if you were to include that. Your average n00b is more likely to reply to something they can understand. If you make that the new title, we may become subject to a dangerous influx of n00bs and n00by spam. I remeber when I first joined, that's what I did (and I had to single out Abhorsen to prevent being exterminated). The threads title, though it doesn't describe what we're discussing, helps gaurd us against unwanted spam.
 
RE: Inactivity.

Changing the thread title is a good idea. Although n00bs are part of the reason for all the inactivity.
 
RE: Inactivity.

hmmmm, why is pokegym not having our problem? let me see

1, pokegym sounds cooler and more mature, so, noobs would probably choose to join the sounds-more-friendlier pokebeach

2. Pokebeach is like a primary school for noobs. when they get older, they become better. later they continue to 'study' on pokegym. So, with the pros going to gym, obviously u will see a lot of noobs.

3. Pokegym has a lot of intelligent threads, which, noobs cant really understand and there's little noob count there, makes them feel uncomfortable and that stops them to post (to avoid getting humiliated)
 
RE: Inactivity.

Then quit Pokebeach. :p

There's a problem with a newbie forum though. Would noobs read it?
 
RE: Inactivity.

Abhorsen has stated this many times, so I won't, but no, most n00bs won't read the newbie guide.
 
RE: Inactivity.

I'm talking about a newbie forum. -_-

Since a lot of people think my newbie guide will not be read, they are proposing a newbie forum. Read carefully. :/
 
RE: Inactivity.

Oh, okay. Sorry, I read that wrong!

Well, I think that it would make more of a chance of n00bs reading it, if it were one whole forum, and even if they didn't, (if it was a whole forum) then sooner or later they would read it.
 
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