Let's Do the 7th Generation

[King Xerneas]

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I would say that strong jaw should be its default ability, but then we have the problem with Reggie's dragon again...still I say we go with keepers idea of making it into a huge cave dragon turtle with its mouth symbolizing a cave because of its tongue lure, instead of merging the two. I mean its not like GF hasn't made two different Pokemon that are VERY similar (I'm looking at you Luvdisc and Alomomola...)

 

[professorlight]

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I would say that strong jaw should be its default ability, but then we have the problem with Reggie's dragon again...still I say we go with keepers idea of making it into a huge cave dragon turtle with its mouth symbolizing a cave because of its tongue lure, instead of merging the two. I mean its not like GF hasn't made two different Pokemon that are VERY similar (I'm looking at you Luvdisc and Alomomola...)

I like the bit about pretending to be a big rock and a cave, however, the size should not be that much, trapping people is wailord-size range. Make it medium-to-small pokemon looking for shelter and we're golden.
And I worried about making two pokemon too similar (and one better than the other, honestly, reggie's has steel type and will probably have more speed) in the movepools, they have a lot of overlap.

 

[Keeper of Night]

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This is kind of what I was thinking:

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Water/Rock. Hides half in the water, half out with its mouth open like a cave. Ignore the top of it, the mouth would end around the entrance.

 

[professorlight]

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This is kind of what I was thinking:

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Water/Rock. Hides half in the water, half out with its mouth open like a cave. Ignore the top of it, the mouth would end around the entrance.

The idea is good, but it doesn't really need to be water. Living in the water is enough, look at stunfisk.
It would actually be better if it lived in beaches but didn't go near the deep water, because then it would sink and drown. That kind of apparent contradictions make for deeper concepts.

 

[Chocolate Death]

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Lol I've had this post waiting here for about an hour now:

Alright, I've finished the quick scribbles. I can't think of much right now.

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The first design is kinda Carracosta ancestry (but now I think I should've made the shell all one piece like Carracosta's). The second one is a bit more of a monster and is inspired by Gamera and Anguirus (two japanese daikaijuu). I honestly like the heads the most, and the left's arms and right's shell, but... I can easily tell I just put stuff on the right's legs and arms to make them seem less inflated, which is not good. Then again, this isn't some art judging contest, so... Yeah. I guess these crappy scribbles will be fine for now.


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This is kind of what I was thinking:

Spoiler

Water/Rock. Hides half in the water, half out with its mouth open like a cave. Ignore the top of it, the mouth would end around the entrance.

The idea is good, but it doesn't really need to be water. Living in the water is enough, look at stunfisk.
It would actually be better if it lived in beaches but didn't go near the deep water, because then it would sink and drown. That kind of apparent contradictions make for deeper concepts.

>Rhyperior used Surf!

 

[Keeper of Night]

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Since when do pokemon follow logic anyway?
But, no it doesn't have to be Water type. Would you prefer Ground? Dragon is kind of out now. We could do Rock/Grass and put palm trees on it or something.

 

[professorlight]

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Lol I've had this post waiting here for about an hour now:

Alright, I've finished the quick scribbles. I can't think of much right now.

Spoiler

The first design is kinda Carracosta ancestry (but now I think I should've made the shell all one piece like Carracosta's). The second one is a bit more of a monster and is inspired by Gamera and Anguirus (two japanese daikaijuu). I honestly like the heads the most, and the left's arms and right's shell, but... I can easily tell I just put stuff on the right's legs and arms to make them seem less inflated, which is not good. Then again, this isn't some art judging contest, so... Yeah. I guess these crappy scribbles will be fine for now.


Also

The idea is good, but it doesn't really need to be water. Living in the water is enough, look at stunfisk.
It would actually be better if it lived in beaches but didn't go near the deep water, because then it would sink and drown. That kind of apparent contradictions make for deeper concepts.

>Rhyperior used Surf!

Try to make the images smaller in the future. It's harder to take the whole design in if you have to see it in parts.

The first one is not like carracosta. It is carracosta, no likes. that is carracosta's megaevolution.The second one you say it's inspired on gamera. Why? if I were to point out to all the minimal details you put in there how can you defend them besides "it looked cool"? where's the big, clumsy cavern we've been discussing? the turtle? the gaping "mouth"? where's the biological plausibility? Why are the spines so small? in the turtle, the spines were almost as high as its body without them. We've been talking about your idea. Listen.

>Rhyperior used Surf!

Yes, rhyperior learns surf. it learns it from gen 1, while rhyhorn didn't. Nidoking an nidoqueen also learn surf, while the enormous majority of the other ground and rock types don't. So your point is?

Since when do pokemon follow logic anyway?
But, no it doesn't have to be Water type. Would you prefer Ground? Dragon is kind of out now. We could do Rock/Grass and put palm trees on it or something.

No, no, dragon is good. dragon/rock is good. But grass is too torterra.

 

[Scorched Feathers]

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Yes, rhyperior learns surf. it learns it from gen 1, while rhyhorn didn't.

>Rhyperior
>Gen 1
>Mind=Blown

 

[Chocolate Death]

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Like I said, I had forgotten to post it so it was sitting there for an hour so I saw nothing after the strong jaw thing. And, I know it looks too much like Carracosta. I've never made any turtle pokemon before and carracosta is always on my team so I immediately find myself trying to make it look like carracosta on accident.

As for Rhyperior (not Rhydon from Gen 1), you were saying the Snapping Turtle pokemon can't be near deep water since it's likely too heavy and would immediately sink and drown. Rhyperior is extremely heavy but can easily swim on the surface. That's my point.

 

[Keeper of Night]

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...Am I the only one who thinks a cave turtle doesn't scream Dragon?
Also, Torterra is Grass/Ground. I suggested Rock/Grass.
Don't you think Dragon/Rock would be too much like Tyrantrum?

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As for Rhyperior (not Rhydon from Gen 1), you were saying the Snapping Turtle pokemon can't be near deep water since it's likely too heavy and would immediately sink and drown. Rhyperior is extremely heavy but can easily swim on the surface. That's my point.

Not to mention:
Dat Solid Rock ability.

 

[Chocolate Death]

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They don't live in caves. They make underwater "caves" by burrowing tunnels in the dirt underwater. Also, the dragon part is from their appearance. If you're gonna say "it shouldn't just be dragon-type for it's looks and should be Rock/Grass anyway" then why should it be grass? It's amphibious, is a carnivore, and is extremely aggressive and rather stubborn. Its behavior as well as it's appearance tell me that, if it were a pokemon, it would have stats like a Dragon-type, as well as the moves and behavior often incorporated with them (specifically Deino's line and Gible's line).

 

[professorlight]

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Yes, rhyperior learns surf. it learns it from gen 1, while rhyhorn didn't.

>Rhyperior
>Gen 1
>Mind=Blown

You're welcome to pitch in, fletchie.

Like I said, I had forgotten to post it so it was sitting there for an hour so I saw nothing after the strong jaw thing. And, I know it looks too much like Carracosta. I've never made any turtle pokemon before and carracosta is always on my team so I immediately find myself trying to make it look like carracosta on accident.

As for Rhyperior (not Rhydon from Gen 1), you were saying the Snapping Turtle pokemon can't be near deep water since it's likely too heavy and would immediately sink and drown. Rhyperior is extremely heavy but can easily swim on the surface. That's my point.

Okay.
The idea here is a land turtle. A land turtle with very short legs, a massive, spiked caparace and capable of opening it's mouth and hiding its head to make itself look like a cavern, luring pokemon inside. Being in shallow water helps it disguise the fact that it is not stuck to the ground. The tongue is inconsquential. you have the "lure" element in keeper's idea already, it's not inportant if it uses its tongue, the promise of shelter or a stick with a carrot.
It could still learn surf by TM, but that doesn't mean we should give it the water type.
On the other hand, it could live underwater, be rock/dragon, have strong jaw, rough skin and HA aqualung. Up to you. The physical design doesn't change because of that.
Have in mind that you can tweak the natural characteristics a bit if you have reason to. You already did it up there, you made gamera bipedal, but you didn't have a reason to do it, beyond "gamera".

...Am I the only one who thinks a cave turtle doesn't scream Dragon?
Also, Torterra is Grass/Ground. I suggested Rock/Grass.

Scream dragon? no, it doesn't. but we're dealing here with a reptile, scraggly looking, dangerous and treacherous, that uses its big, strong mouth to bite stuff; that's enough dragon for me. If there are better alternatives, good, but I don't feel the concept calls for grass or water. Maybe a pure rock type with dragon/type moves, but ground and grass I don't see it, honestly.

 

[King Xerneas]

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The thing definitely has to be a quadruped since it supposed to have the cavern look. I also recommend to NOT give it a look as if it's only meant for battle, but more of a natural appearance. I'd say even have moss growing out of it, as well as rock formations on its shell and some on its skin.

 

[Keeper of Night]

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You were the one who suggested to put it on the beach.

What if it was an underwater cave? That sounds like it could work.

 

[Chocolate Death]

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I'm guessing Aqualung allows it to take less damage from water-type moves or something? As for the physical design, I'll start making different takes on paper (easier for me than PC.) And, sorry for the picture being so big. The site I uploaded it on shrunk it down so I didn't realize it. I put it in spoilers since I always to that with images, no matter their size.

With the pure rock thing... I'm not really thinking it's a good idea. I mean, rock-types seem to have stats more focused on physical defense at the expense of special stats. They also seem to have moderate attack and HP. Dragon-types have it all about even, except with both attack stats usually a bit higher than others. But, if we combined the two types, I can see it having a more evenly matched stat distribution at the cost of mostly speed. I mean, the main important stats with it are Defense, Special Defense, and Attack. Pure rock would, as I said, mean it's offensive stats and special stats would be rather weak. I mean, I know about individual stat distributions, but only 9 of the 54 are pure rock and rarely even see the light of day. I guess before I start to digress, my point is I feel half dragon fits a lot more than pure rock.

edit: OMFG I type too slow

 

[Keeper of Night]

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With the pure rock thing... I'm not really thinking it's a good idea. I mean, rock-types seem to have stats more focused on physical defense at the expense of special stats. They also seem to have moderate attack and HP. Dragon-types have it all about even, except with both attack stats usually a bit higher than others. But, if we combined the two types, I can see it having a more evenly matched stat distribution at the cost of mostly speed. I mean, the main important stats with it are Defense, Special Defense, and Attack. Pure rock would, as I said, mean it's offensive stats and special stats would be rather weak. I mean, I know about individual stat distributions, but only 9 of the 54 are pure rock and rarely even see the light of day. I guess before I start to digress, my point is I feel half dragon fits a lot more than pure rock.

Tyrantrum's base stats:
82/121/119/69/59/71

 

[Chocolate Death]

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I said I understand individual stat distributions and I was talking about overall. Plus, I'm pretty sure Tyrantrum would have less reason to have both defenses high than a turtle would. Or are you saying it's stats are a combo of the two types highest stats and my turtle would end up like that? Or am I just reading too much into it...

 

[professorlight]

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The thing definitely has to be a quadruped since it supposed to have the cavern look. I also recommend to NOT give it a look as if it's only meant for battle, but more of a natural appearance. I'd say even have moss growing out of it, as well as rock formations on its shell and some on its skin.

A bit of moss is not bad. I like it.

You were the one who suggested to put it on the beach.

What if it was an underwater cave? That sounds like it could work.

That's the allternative. A beach cave or an underwater cave. An underwater cave would even make sense when you notice that most fish pokemon are relatively small.

I'm guessing Aqualung allows it to take less damage from water-type moves or something? As for the physical design, I'll start making different takes on paper (easier for me than PC.) And, sorry for the picture being so big. The site I uploaded it on shrunk it down so I didn't realize it. I put it in spoilers since I always to that with images, no matter their size.

With the pure rock thing... I'm not really thinking it's a good idea. I mean, rock-types seem to have stats more focused on physical defense at the expense of special stats. They also seem to have moderate attack and HP. Dragon-types have it all about even, except with both attack stats usually a bit higher than others. But, if we combined the two types, I can see it having a more evenly matched stat distribution at the cost of mostly speed. I mean, the main important stats with it are Defense, Special Defense, and Attack. Pure rock would, as I said, mean it's offensive stats and special stats would be rather weak. I mean, I know about individual stat distributions, but only 9 of the 54 are pure rock and rarely even see the light of day. I guess before I start to digress, my point is I feel half dragon fits a lot more than pure rock.

edit: OMFG I type too slow

Read the thread; aqualung is a new ability, motor drive with water type attacks, basically, and it grants inmunity to water type moves. You can shrink the picture with:

[*img width=300 height=][/img*] (withouth the asterisks)

Don't think too much on the stats for now. we know it will be slow, have high defense and attack and moderate-to-high HP, that's enough for now.

 

[Chocolate Death]

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Ok. Oh, and that speed boosting thing sounds rather frightening lol. So, I'll focus on the what now? Appearance, or movepool?

 

[Keeper of Night]

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Appearance first. The movepool cannot be started without an appearance to go off of.