Finished Mafia XLII: War of the Gods ~ GAME OVER ~ Town wins!

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NinjaPenguin is just in a corner because he tunnelled me for the entirety of Day 1 and didn't pay attention to any other players, and now that his only target is proven town (and his backup is town too), he has no suspicions. I read it as a somewhat town-aligned yet very anti-town play.
 
This is getting ridiculous. This entire situation. You have no idea how much I want to swear right now -- everything here beggars belief. Everything by NP and bb, anyway. mord and rainy's posts are fine.

Bullet-Proof Vest (survives one nightkill target without needing a doctor or roleblocker, a passive ability).

bb Right Now:

So WHY would you vote for a vocal player? Legit -- you, while not thinking scattered is scum, have voted for scattered. And when given the opportunity to backpedal this, you refused. I'm so completely confused by this action. OK, you put down a placeholder vote (which is a dumb concept anyway). Why on earth would you not target one of the people who think is scum only by virtue of being one of the least vocal players?

You're telling me that pressure is completely nullified starting on Day 2? That RVS can never last for longer than a day phase (tell me, what did we learn from the Lorde lynch you pushed oh so hard?) and that, even if putting a pressure vote on a random player on Day 2 might accomplish nothing, putting it on one of the most active players in the entire game who is confirmed as town because they were saved from the nightkill by a doctor might, on any scope of reality, accomplish MORE?

This is such a ridiculous strawman, haha. Even though my case on you was rubbish to start with and I was clearly making stuff up to try and get a reaction out of you, you strawmanned it anyway. Guess it worked (what's that about pressure not working? D: )

Speculation about nightkills is flimsy, and not worthwhile when we have better leads. Thanks to the ridiculously stealthed, rubbish Day 1 lynch against a player who wasn't remotely scummy by any stretch of ANYONE'S imagination, it's what we're stuck with. Nightkills are the most WIFOMy entity in the world, but there is one lead from this nightkill which is very worthwhile -- your reaction to it:



Like, I'm sorry? At worst this is blatant attempted character assassination of me without use of logic (wow saving the kill was so obvious and easy) and at best it's literally just outing yourself as scum because you're putting yourself in the logic of it completely. "This was a really obvious kill choice" doesn't cut it at all.

Read This: And you know what's most interesting about this for me? Why haven't you included yourself here? You and scattered were in exactly the same position at the end of Day 1. You were 2 of the 4 most active players (probably top 3, in fact) who, up to that point, had very little suspicion cast in your directions, if any at all. You were both on the Lorde wagon, though bb had a larger part in it. I simply don't understand what this massive distinction is between you and scattered which makes scattered the obvious kill choice. Except, of course, that you're scum yourself. After all, scum don't get targeted for nightkills -- they dish them out.

This was a pretty good quality scumslip, have to say. Certainly not an obvious one.

I wanted to post about that potential slip all day, but I'll do it anyway, since it is not clear whether you talked about another thing and just posted the quote with the slip on another note, or not.

I did not spend any time in that post saying that scattered is scum. Why don't you read it? It's called a placeholder vote.

Placeholder votes accomplish nothing on active players. If you don't know who scum are, why would you not pressure?

Votes without reason don't do anything on any player Day 2 unless they're completely new, and I'm not thinking well enough to scrape together some reason that would actually create some good and reliable information on someone.

There.
I mean, seriously, I don't think bbninjas really voted me to pressure me, and it was just so he could place a vote on anyone, because he had to, so he thought, oh well let's just put it on scattered just for the heck of it. But- that's the mindset slip- Experienced townies should always have in their mind the focus on pressuring and questioning, and one of their only weapons of doing so is their vote. This was s great chance to pressure anyone, but he didn't even think about it. I really think that scums or new townies would not think about such an idea to just pressure someone, because you have to vote, so why not using it for at least pressure?
Then when Celever is asking him about it - his answer just look confused and hasty. I mean sure, this could be just him being tired or anything IRL related, but still- I have a hard time thinking that this was not the case. But if you need more evidence - Look at the very next post:

Why don't you start pressuring someone else properly instead of whatever you're trying to do right now, considering you've just left your vote on me and not commented on the element of my post that was directed at you, and effectively achieving nothing yourself?

That post has a very OMGUSy tone in it, that could have been the product of bbninjas feeling panicked a bit. "start pressuring someone else properly instead of whatever you're trying to do right now"
He's aware that Celever is starting to realize something's wrong.

So yeah, that's the slip I found. Thoughts? Anyone? @Celever - did you refer to a whole other slip? Yes?No? If yes, what was it and what do you think about this one?
 
You were rolebolocked? I don't understand.. because you tried to use your "Check the Stores" ability, after getting the bad item from the hosts?
I don't get what you're asking. Can you clarify for me?

So.. does that mean you trust him now?
Most people haven't posted. Once they do, I'll trust him.

Too much speculation there. Celever is soft cleared and the simplest explanation tends to be the right one, especially in this site. I tried this paranoid theories before, and it never eded well.

Fine, there is that rare possibility, let's move on.

You said earlier that you didn't think that it was the most likely option, and now you say that Celever chances being scum or town is equal. That's a contradiction. If Celever is scum, that means he's scum doctor- aka - the option that you don't think is most likely. Therefore- the other only option is that he's town. That is not equal.
Reread the post. I said that his chances of being scum are equal to the chances of other players being scum, not equal to the chance of him being town.

That's just a dry statistic that you use when you don't have any information on anyone. You do have the info on Celever, Lord who is dead, bbninjas and me who gave a lot of posts to make your mind about. What's the point of this post, really?
It's an answer to bb's question.

Why? I'm not following that logic. Can you explain it to me?
Which part?
NinjaPenguin is just in a corner because he tunnelled me for the entirety of Day 1 and didn't pay attention to any other players, and now that his only target is proven town (and his backup is town too), he has no suspicions. I read it as a somewhat town-aligned yet very anti-town play.
Who's my backup target?

Scattered, your "BB's slip" is just him being hypocritical. Cel has been just as hypocritical this game. As for Cel's "BB's slip", it actually has some substance. I'll wait to hear bb's response before commenting more on it.
 
So yeah, that's the slip I found. Thoughts? Anyone? @Celever - did you refer to a whole other slip? Yes?No? If yes, what was it and what do you think about this one?
I'm not necessarily sure you're using slip correctly here. bb's play here is definitely scummy -- preaching the positives of pressuring widely on paper while not thinking to do it yourself exposes an anti-town mindset -- but it's not a scumslip. Slips usually involve roles, or knowing information which town can't know. For example, my slip where he doesn't include himself in any of the nightkill speculation is a scumslip because it's knowing information which town can't know -- that bb is scum. So it is an entirely different slip really.
Who's my backup target?
I recall you throwing suspicion towards scattered yesterday. No I'm not looking for quotes, and it's not a major point.
Cel has been just as hypocritical this game
You've said this plenty but never provided examples :\
 
Who's my backup target?

Scattered, your "BB's slip" is just him being hypocritical. Cel has been just as hypocritical this game. As for Cel's "BB's slip", it actually has some substance. I'll wait to hear bb's response before commenting more on it.

I don't get what you're asking. Can you clarify for me?
I am asking what ability/item was blocked.

Most people haven't posted. Once they do, I'll trust him.
You can just ask them directly so we don't stall this game : @mirdo @rainyman123 @mordacazir @GM DracLord @Ice Espeon @Jadethepokemontrainer - Could you confirm or deny that you had anything to do with targeting Celever or saving the one who was targeted by the scum team?

Reread the post. I said that his chances of being scum are equal to the chances of other players being scum, not equal to the chance of him being town.
My point is standing.. I don't understand how this explains your contradiction- if the chances of Celever being scum are not likely- how can his chances to be scum can be equal to others?

It's an answer to bb's question.
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Why? I'm not following that logic. Can you explain it to me?
Which part?
This one:

I was blocked. The kill was blocked. Rainy is speculating that may be why the kill was blocked. This explanation is wrong, of course, if Cel doctored the kill. The only chance that I tried to kill tonight, and was blocked, is Cel being scumbuddies with me and covering up for me.

 
Can you show me it?. I've been lookin but can't find it.

It's there, just start from the words "speculating about nightkills"

This is getting ridiculous. This entire situation. You have no idea how much I want to swear right now -- everything here beggars belief. Everything by NP and bb, anyway. mord and rainy's posts are fine.

Bullet-Proof Vest (survives one nightkill target without needing a doctor or roleblocker, a passive ability).

bb Right Now:

So WHY would you vote for a vocal player? Legit -- you, while not thinking scattered is scum, have voted for scattered. And when given the opportunity to backpedal this, you refused. I'm so completely confused by this action. OK, you put down a placeholder vote (which is a dumb concept anyway). Why on earth would you not target one of the people who think is scum only by virtue of being one of the least vocal players?

You're telling me that pressure is completely nullified starting on Day 2? That RVS can never last for longer than a day phase (tell me, what did we learn from the Lorde lynch you pushed oh so hard?) and that, even if putting a pressure vote on a random player on Day 2 might accomplish nothing, putting it on one of the most active players in the entire game who is confirmed as town because they were saved from the nightkill by a doctor might, on any scope of reality, accomplish MORE?

This is such a ridiculous strawman, haha. Even though my case on you was rubbish to start with and I was clearly making stuff up to try and get a reaction out of you, you strawmanned it anyway. Guess it worked (what's that about pressure not working? D: )

Speculation about nightkills is flimsy, and not worthwhile when we have better leads. Thanks to the ridiculously stealthed, rubbish Day 1 lynch against a player who wasn't remotely scummy by any stretch of ANYONE'S imagination, it's what we're stuck with. Nightkills are the most WIFOMy entity in the world, but there is one lead from this nightkill which is very worthwhile -- your reaction to it:



Like, I'm sorry? At worst this is blatant attempted character assassination of me without use of logic (wow saving the kill was so obvious and easy) and at best it's literally just outing yourself as scum because you're putting yourself in the logic of it completely. "This was a really obvious kill choice" doesn't cut it at all.

Read This: And you know what's most interesting about this for me? Why haven't you included yourself here? You and scattered were in exactly the same position at the end of Day 1. You were 2 of the 4 most active players (probably top 3, in fact) who, up to that point, had very little suspicion cast in your directions, if any at all. You were both on the Lorde wagon, though bb had a larger part in it. I simply don't understand what this massive distinction is between you and scattered which makes scattered the obvious kill choice. Except, of course, that you're scum yourself. After all, scum don't get targeted for nightkills -- they dish them out.

This was a pretty good quality scumslip, have to say. Certainly not an obvious one.
 
##VOTE:Mirdo

That gull is flying under the radar too well, being the most lurking player in this game.
 
##VOTE:Mirdo


That gull is flying under the radar too well, being the most lurking player in this game.
@Jadethepokemontrainer - I have not seen you even lurking, are you alive?

@Ice Espeon- When do you plan to show up?

Hi, I had a nap. Gulls usually fly pretty low. Thats biology for you.
Also i love that you always target me. But hey. A latios of prey i guess.
I don't really know what that vote is gonna acomplish tbh. You all pretty much agreed that i am inactive - yes, but also townie.

Well here goes nothing

especially considering the setup probably wouldn't have a vig, but you need to remember TSM's role in Superheroes (scum Doctor). It wouldn't surprise me if DoS wanted to recycle one of his past roles, and made you the scum Doctor.
Yes. Could be. Is unlikely doe I think. This is pretty much logic from your last game with the Jester or what was it called? Don't use these "uncommon" roles to often. Or they'll lookse their magic.

I did not spend any time in that post saying that scattered is scum. Why don't you read it? It's called a placeholder vote.
Placeholder votes accomplish nothing on active players. If you don't know who scum are, why would you not pressure?
I have to agree with Celever. That does not help us one beak.


@mirdo comment on the thread before there's too much to have to catch up on.
Yes mom. Im working on it.

11 players remain in this game. Knowing common scum-town ratios, 8 town/indies and 3 scum are left alive. I'm a townie. That means any given player has a 30% chance of being scum. Since I don't have any large scum reads due to the low post quantity of most players and my lack of time to ISO them, I don't see any players as likely to be scum.
I wanted to make a big charts of all of the possible outcomes of Scum Szenarios.... But i rather wait till there is less people. Statistics with mirdo will return !

My Reads rn?
-I buy the story of Cel.
-Scattered seems odd to me, yet again.
-Im very unsure about NP. He got his tinfoil on real good and it seems a bit like he tries to confuse the town real hard. Which he definitly is capable off.
But i dunno if that's just his reaction when getting under fire. I know how stressfull that can be when you're under proper heat despite beeing innocent. But rn he is prob the biggest target for me
 
Most people haven't posted. Once they do, I'll trust him.
You can just ask them directly so we don't stall this game : @mirdo @rainyman123 @mordacazir @GM DracLord @Ice Espeon @Jadethepokemontrainer - Could you confirm or deny that you had anything to do with targeting Celever or saving the one who was targeted by the scum team?
I am not the one who saved someone or had anything to do with that.
how can his chances to be scum can be equal to others?
I'll think I understand what NP thinks, so a player like me would have 2 or 3 in 11 chance of being scum right? Celever would have the same chances right? Because he could still be faking a doctor-like ability. Because he isn't 100% cleared, he still could be scum. If you don't understand, it's because of me because I'm really bad at explaining things.
I don't get what you're asking. Can you clarify for me?
I am asking what ability/item was blocked.
Isn't this rolefish?
 
I'm not necessarily sure you're using slip correctly here. bb's play here is definitely scummy -- preaching the positives of pressuring widely on paper while not thinking to do it yourself exposes an anti-town mindset -- but it's not a scumslip. Slips usually involve roles, or knowing information which town can't know. For example, my slip where he doesn't include himself in any of the nightkill speculation is a scumslip because it's knowing information which town can't know -- that bb is scum. So it is an entirely different slip really.

I recall you throwing suspicion towards scattered yesterday. No I'm not looking for quotes, and it's not a major point.

You've said this plenty but never provided examples :\
Scattered is my largest town read. I don't recall throwing suspicion at him. As you said, it's not a major point, so let's move on from that.
You're hypocritical because you've tunneled me, contradicted, and not provided compiled posts upon request, yet attacked me for the same thing.
I don't get what you're asking. Can you clarify for me?
I am asking what ability/item was blocked.
I got an idol, but my abilities were blocked.
Most people haven't posted. Once they do, I'll trust him.
You can just ask them directly so we don't stall this game : @mirdo @rainyman123 @mordacazir @GM DracLord @Ice Espeon @Jadethepokemontrainer - Could you confirm or deny that you had anything to do with targeting Celever or saving the one who was targeted by the scum team?

Reread the post. I said that his chances of being scum are equal to the chances of other players being scum, not equal to the chance of him being town.
My point is standing.. I don't understand how this explains your contradiction- if the chances of Celever being scum are not likely- how can his chances to be scum can be equal to others?
Because nobody is a likely scum. As I said, by probability alone, everyone is naturally 30% scum (not likely in my book) and few have done anything to move the needle.
It's an answer to bb's question.
k

Why? I'm not following that logic. Can you explain it to me?
Which part?
This one:
According to him, Cel prevented the kill. Therefore, a roleblocker could not have, unless Celever lied.
Hi, I had a nap. Gulls usually fly pretty low. Thats biology for you.
Also i love that you always target me. But hey. A latios of prey i guess.
I don't really know what that vote is gonna acomplish tbh. You all pretty much agreed that i am inactive - yes, but also townie.

Well here goes nothing


Yes. Could be. Is unlikely doe I think. This is pretty much logic from your last game with the Jester or what was it called? Don't use these "uncommon" roles to often. Or they'll lookse their magic.



I have to agree with Celever. That does not help us one beak.



Yes mom. Im working on it.


I wanted to make a big charts of all of the possible outcomes of Scum Szenarios.... But i rather wait till there is less people. Statistics with mirdo will return !

My Reads rn?
-I buy the story of Cel.
-Scattered seems odd to me, yet again.
-Im very unsure about NP. He got his tinfoil on real good and it seems a bit like he tries to confuse the town real hard. Which he definitly is capable off.
But i dunno if that's just his reaction when getting under fire. I know how stressfull that can be when you're under proper heat despite beeing innocent. But rn he is prob the biggest target for me
Jester should not be reused because it breaks the game if people expect it. Scum Doctor, not so much.
Also, scattered doesn't think you are a townie. He thinks that you're scum, hence the vote on you. See, new-ish scum often lurk a lot without posting, as they're constantly afraid someone in thread caught on to them. They still are somewhat learned, though, and do the Scum 101 lesson of lower activity when possible. Lurking is just that: you check the thread out of paranoia but don't help out activity. I've also seen you lurking a lot (which I've rarely, if ever, seen you do in the past) and there are fairly few people left to potentially disprove Cel, so I'll
##UNVOTE: Celever
##VOTE: Mirdo
 
Also, scattered doesn't think you are a townie. He thinks that you're scum,
Yes. Obviously he doesn't. I meant the general consent of my person from everybody after my Pie Chart Thread. At least i had the feeling.
See, new-ish scum often lurk a lot without posting, as they're constantly afraid someone in thread caught on to them. They still are somewhat learned, though, and do the Scum 101 lesson of lower activity when possible.
What am i supposed to post when you are with the knives at each other throats. You had like an 2 Pages discussion about Cel beeing a scum doctor and just general having your tinfoil head way to tight on your head.
I explained why I'm not that active back on Day 1 but hey. How even reads. When you can just shoot at the bird in the sky?
Like i said. Im not lurking. Im just omnipresent in the forum. But don't have time to read the big threads and answer to them 24/7. And why would i insert myself into EVERY case?
Your arguement calmed down and i posted my opionon about that mess.
What do you want more?
 
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