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Finished Mafia XLII: War of the Gods ~ GAME OVER ~ Town wins!
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So.. there I asked this:
And Mirdo chose to answer every single post I made about him other than the above post. Why? Scum trying to not giving good info to town:
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Yeah I think I got it, but at the same time not really understood how that clears the contradiction I found, but yeah, it gets too confusing.
Well, I can't really role fish him after he claimed, but anyway, I just wanted to understand what exactly happened. After NP's comment later on, I understand his explanation of him not likely be the scum who tried to kill me if Celever doctored me.
And Mirdo chose to answer every single post I made about him other than the above post. Why? Scum trying to not giving good info to town:
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Yeah I think I got it, but at the same time not really understood how that clears the contradiction I found, but yeah, it gets too confusing.
Well, I can't really role fish him after he claimed, but anyway, I just wanted to understand what exactly happened. After NP's comment later on, I understand his explanation of him not likely be the scum who tried to kill me if Celever doctored me.
@Jadethepokemontrainer Oh and without any details on D2, that is actually perfect, now you can give us your thoughts on bbninjas, Mirdo, NP, and Celever only by what you have seen during D1, and then we can see your opinion on them after we give you the summery on D2, to see what you think there. That info could be gold for town.
You can just post a brief sentence next to each name.
You can just post a brief sentence next to each name.
Well that's logical.
Why? Look how many times he was suspected:
Are you saying this is an equal choice to kill as me?
Yes, absolutely. The only time bb was suspected independently was during RVS. The other suspicion on him were in tandem with NP, meaning that the "suspicion" was basically a total facade of suspicion with the sole purpose of presenting a little bit of pressure on him. It was not, however, genuine suspicion cast against him with the impression of death. And those sole one-liners and the like on Day 1, even if meant entirely seriously, is no more suspicion cast against anyone else in the game besides NP, Lorde or me, with a bit more on mirdo than usual too, even yesterday (though also some very pro-town opinions on him). 5 choice quotes don't amount to anything when compared with how vocal bb was, which helps town a lot, and there was absolutely some people thinking you were suspicious on very random comments too, scattered.
And townies are always intrinsically paranoid of the nightkill. Every night they have to face the prospect of never waking up again, and I find it very difficult to believe that bb chose to not consider the possibility of himself being nightkilled on the back of 5 very spread out comments, some of them in RVS.
Firstly, would you think that the scum would have noticed this? Secondly, would you think that inexperienced scum would have noticed this? If it was a facade (which is funny, because you're saying this on behalf of a few other players), then this should be evidence against an experienced player coordinating the scumkill.
The bolded comparison means absolutely nothing - I never said anything contrary to this. There wasn't many pro-town opinions on me iirc, and there was certainly more pro-town opinions and less pro-scum opinions on scattered than on me.
And I said this... where? Sure, I went into the night thinking that I *could* be killed, but I still thought that scattered was much more likely regardless. In hindsight, since scattered is probably town, him being the kill choice is especially more obvious.
I'd also like to point out that this post and the one above is based on how you think the game should be or was played, and has nothing to do with actual, solid scumtells.
Also, isn't it interesting to note that a significant portion of players have just neglected to post or contribute? That's a huge indication of apathy, and I'm fairly confident that this is partially because Celever's very vocally and heavily pushing on a townie (me), and so really, the scum (who I think are within this group) have absolutely no need to say anything. Just letting Celever to continue his push is good for the scum.
In fact, I've seen @Ice Espeon around, yet he still hasn't actually posted anything. He's doing some major lurking, which is also a common scumtell for him. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Ice Espeon
In fact, I've seen @Ice Espeon around, yet he still hasn't actually posted anything. He's doing some major lurking, which is also a common scumtell for him. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Ice Espeon
Yeah, guys @Ice Espeon @mordacazir @Jadethepokemontrainer @PikaMasterJesi @GM DracLord @rainyman123
We are basically done.. it's your turn. Otherwise there will be nothing to talk about. Honestly, there is nothing right now other than repetitions, but that can just confuse you. So feel free to post thoughts.. or maybe even, should I dare to say, ideas. Really, not just for the sake of finding scums, but also for the sake of this game to be fun and not boring.
Best regards,
Scattered.
We are basically done.. it's your turn. Otherwise there will be nothing to talk about. Honestly, there is nothing right now other than repetitions, but that can just confuse you. So feel free to post thoughts.. or maybe even, should I dare to say, ideas. Really, not just for the sake of finding scums, but also for the sake of this game to be fun and not boring.
Best regards,
Scattered.
At this moment i Sincerely belive that atleast one of you guys who are posting are scum sinc ethe others are too inactive. since without nk there isnt much to learn other then the dicpscussion going around.
Other than the normal active group, i have nothing much to say about the others without knowing the real reason of their inactiveness
Other than the normal active group, i have nothing much to say about the others without knowing the real reason of their inactiveness
Why do you think one of the most vocal people are active? Currently the only case being pursued is really me, so unless you think I'm scum, that means that the active players are pushing lynches on town players. That means that the scum players benefit a lot from lurking and being inactive.
Who do you think is the scummiest player and why?
Since I'm not sure if there are really lurking or really busy I can't judge based on that.
Although the case is against you, as this is still day 2, scum can easily build case on town (provided you are really town). but there are also the probability that scum really are lurking and the most vocal are all town.
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Heads up @PikaMasterJesi has requested to sub out
lol.
I mean. I don't exactly make notes of everything people ask me a few pages ago but sure.
To answer your question if I had anything to do with redirecting or what ever: Nope. Else i would've proven or disproven NP's theory from earlier in the day. I don't have powers to do such a thing sadly.
Like i said. That case by Celever + just general feeling about your posts. Granted. It's vague but you guys wanted an opionon and that's what you getting.
If we have a better lynch target than you, I am more than happy to switch
Sure, there's probabilities, but we're trying to find the most likely scum here. That's why I asked for specific players that you think are scum and why, but you didn't answer that.
If you can't actually specify what your 'general feeling' is from, then there's no evidence behind that feeling. In fact, it's sorta annoying because you can just say "oh, that player feels scummy" and it really can't be refuted; it's pro-scum. That's why I ask for something not so vague.
Why can't I see you scumhunting to find a better lynch target?
How am i supposed to explain my general feeling?
Why are you so obbsessed with a feeling of ONE guy? Why is that bothering you so much? Do you feel busted?
I didn't have the time yet. But you seem to be a pretty good target now so why i would i throw targets randomly ^_^
But GM Drac seems to dodge questions and not really active (Did he say he was with limited internet again or is that not the case anymore? Still dodging question nonetheless)
I think the general feeling may be along the lines of how you're defending yourself. That is also a part of my suspicions towards you. By this I mean your defense is trying to provide reasonable doubt in the town using very neutralish or objective language, where you're not making cases on other players or actually saying "LOOK I'm town", your defense is based on your not being scum from the perspective of someone quite removed from the action.
It's not just you. If any player (Drac, for example) were to post anything vague like you have right now, I'd be asking that player the same question as I asked you.
Cool, the GM Drac thing is a good start, especially since noone had brought that up yet. Good job! Next time, you should probably say it before someone else asks it of you.
I'm not making cases on other players because I haven't gotten to that stage yet (and admittedly might not get to anything substantial). I wouldn't say I'm the one to say "I'm town" and prove as such typically - I could this game at least (see the nature of my role [mason], me taking on that scumslip [might be worthwhile explaining how that could fit in my scum play]), but it's been somewhat discouraged over the years for some reason, and so I don't really do it; at least from an onlooker's perspective, I'm unsurprised that my defense tended towards showing that I'm not scum.
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