Also @Celever I was going to ask; didn't you say something about NP's role interacting with yours? Why did you consider that point moot when you chose to vote NP over anyone else this Day?
Also, if you're going to push for my lynch again, you should restate the case (bullet points should be fine) so that everyone is clear on why they might be voting me. Honestly, I'm not keen on being mislynched due to some misunderstanding or oversight of my defense. Yes, I was going to ask, but figured it to be pointless when you unvoted.
All votes are in chronological order
The players being voted are in alphabetical order
The player(s) with the most votes is tagged
If you think there’s anything wrong please ask
"Okay everyone! Who's next?" Shouted DoS. NinjaPenguin stepped forward, similar to the last lynch candidate, he also had a blue glow to him. "So, every time you guys choose to send someone over to the Underworld, they just turn blue? Come on, the Underworld isn't that bad. Oh well, let's see who you are."
You are Pandora and you are aligned with The Underworld. Once upon a time, you were a beautiful woman… but then something happened and now you’re a flying ball of fire with a face.There’s probably some other flying ball of fire with a face that thinks you look good, but it just isn’t the same. At least you have powers, it’s fun tricking others and being able to make whatever you want.
Active Ability: Elusive Trickery
You are The Master of illusions capable of feigning anything, so much so, that people believe they are real, going as far so to justify things that cannot usually happen! Each night you may PM the names of up to two players. Those players will be sent an Idol, however, your illusions are sometimes elusive to even yourself, and you cannot remember what they are only moments after unleashing them..
Active Ability: Ghostly Flicker
As the creator of said Idol illusions, as long as you are watching them, you know what they do. Similarly, you are capable of producing small illusions to mimic the effects of actual idols! Each night you may PM the name of a player that you did not use Elusive Trickery on in the same night. You will learn how many Idols they have, and what each Idol does. You may then choose to exchange one of those Idols with one of your own.
Win Condition: Eliminate all players not aligned with The Underworld.
"Oh my, Hades won't happy with this..."
"What won't I be happy with!?" Shouted Hades, who was apparently eavesdropping.
"Uh, um, I hear the weather in the Underworld is going to be really hot today...?"
"It's always hot, we have places with just lava here. Whatever, just carry on with the game."
@Ice Espeon has requested to sub out. We don’t have anymore subs, so if any of you know someone who’d be willing to sub in, please tell one of us before the end of Night 2.
A reminder that Night 2 will end in 48 hours on July 6th 7am.
Tonight was eventful. The goddess of light was cooking up a meal for Pit. 'Ugh, carrots? again?" She thought. Her last run in with carrots hadn't exactly gone well. "Oh well, they won't try to kill me this time." She was right, they didn't... Instead it was a monster from the Underworld that did that.
You are Palutena and you are aligned with Skyworld. As the Goddess of Light, it’s your job to see that humanity is protected. Be it from Hades, the Aurum, or the Chaos Kin, you’ll do your best… By using Pit of course. You’re basically the one who issues orders, really. All you really do is help Pit fly, give sarcastic and wise advice, and when needed, a divine intervention.
Active Ability: Hot Spring!
One of your powers allows you to create hot springs. Hot water that can somehow heal people, nice. Each day, you may PM the name of a player.You will create a magic hot spring for them and they cannot be affected by negative effects of Idols for the following night.
Passive Ability: Healing Light
Your hot springs also have healing powers. Considering the missions you send Pit on are pretty dangerous, it’s no wonder why he likes them. Whenever you use Hot Spring!, the player you target will also be immune to all lethal actions. This ability locks once it is successfully used, but may be unlocked by spending Idols.
Win Condition: Eliminate all players not aligned with Skyworld
And since we couldn't find a sub for IE...
You are Twinbellows and you are aligned with The Underworld. Woof! Bark bark… barkbarkbarkbark!That means that you’re the gatekeeper of the Underworld in hellhoundese. Since you’re from the Underworld, I guess that means you’re an underdog. Of course, not an actual underdog, just because you’re only the first boss doesn’t mean you’re not strong!
Active Ability:Booming Voice
The advantage of two heads, is twice the sound. If you want people to listen, two voices are better than one, and those two voices let you be heard everywhere. Once per night you may PM a message containing 10 words + the night that you’re on (e.g. on night 3 you may PM 13 words and on night 5 you may PM 15 words). Your message will anonymously be posted along with the day update.
Passive Ability: Dual Sight
You have two heads! Sure that means you have to share everything between them, but if one of them is targeted by a negative effect, it can just play dumb and have the other head take over, fresh and unaffected. If you would be affected by a negative ability, you instead ignore those negative effects.
Win Condition: Eliminate all players not aligned with The Underworld.
"So much death!" Shouted Hades "It's glorious~ Too bad that included Twinbellows... Oh well, at least I got Pretty Palutena!"
Day 3 has now begun! It will end in 120 hours, on July 11th 7am EST. Since it's the start of another day, you all gained 10 hearts! Meaning if you haven't spent any yet, you should have 30.
First off all. Jesus that was close. I was about to shift my vote to BB because NP actually had good arguments and was convincing. Im so glad the Game Freeze saved me. Lol. My hat goes of to you my fellow bird.
So we actually lynched a bad guy. Hurray.
Also one got Mod killed. Which is a bit sad Gameplay-wise i guess but it makes it easier for us.
And we lost Cel. Which was the obvious target after outing himself as a (one-shot) doctor. So i don't think we get much info out of this NK.
But we might wanna scan through NP's conversations in thread.
What did we learn from the voting?
Voted for NP and there for Pretty Savely Town: Rainy, SM, BBNinjas
Voted for BB and therefore "suspecious": No one. NP and Cel are both dead.
From voting alone @GM DracLord is probably the most suspecious because he tried to swing the vote in favor of NP by voting for me when i still was in the lead.
But also 4 People haven't voted... sooooo theres that.
Oh and because that almost happend @double o squirtle and @Vracken what would happen in the case of a Vote Tie? (im sorry if you addressed that somewhere already
From voting alone @GM DracLord is probably the most suspecious because he tried to swing the vote in favor of NP by voting for me when i still was in the lead.
I'm pretty sure only after I voted you that the NP votes starts coming in. If I was really trying to save him, I would have done more. In theory if I were to aligned with scum, I surely would have stay more active since IE is already rather inactive. My theory right now is that scum consist of 3 people.
1 very active person, 1 semi active like NP and having IE which is rather unavailable.
This is the list of people left to scumhunt. With mirdo as a last resort, because of my last scumhunt that resulted in me reading him as town. If 2 scums are down, that means that we have at most 2 more scums to deal with and one indie (which would be crazy, but maybe not with that win condition). The scum win condition is to eliminate us all, so that makes our job a little easier, as we can afford mislynching more than usual. Because I believe NP was the only active scum, unless bbninjas is scum, I will vote the first inactive person to come to my mind, until I hit a scum. bbninjas is most likely scum, but because lynching him will either end the game or make the rest of it pretty much me talking to myself, I rather pursue someone else. If I die tonight, bbninjas is your best bet. I'll post why near the end of today.
##UNVOTE:
##VOTE: mordacazir
No idea why people see you as town. You pop once in a while, try to appear as helpful and then disappear. I wonder what you have to say about that.
First off all. Jesus that was close. I was about to shift my vote to BB because NP actually had good arguments and was convincing. Im so glad the Game Freeze saved me. Lol. My hat goes of to you my fellow bird.
I wasn't given adequate time to respond to NP's points - a lot of them were flawed or baseless. This was what I was going to post before the gamefreeze:
Your last two points are not ones I used to say you were scum. That is why I found your explaination inadequate. Don't fake my argument to make it easier to defend against (this is a strawman, which is very scummy, and this in not the first time you've used it today (as Cel pointed out earlier)).
Uh, no. You weren't being very clear. In fact, that is why I said "if I'm following right". I also rebutted Celever's strawman claim, and I wouldn't say Celever has been particularly clear either (hence why I keep asking for him to restate the case).
Your scumslip defense was bad because you, like Celever said, latched on to a small quantity of posts. The Lorde push was the main reason you would be differentiated with scattered, not those few posts you kept pointing too.
As for how you addressed it, why did include the indie comment in your post without explanation? To me, it just seems like you're throwing arguments, hoping for one to stick.
Uh, what? I'm pretty sure I responded to most - if not all - of Celever's posts. If you're referring to the five instances where people said I was scummy; compare that to scattered, who had pratically none. I devoted a large paragraph explaining why/how scum would have easily considered me a 'not as good' kill, which I don't think Celever really refuted well.
Also, that vote was the contradiction from yesterday. It's just a distraction, and completely unnecessary.
Wdym by 'you're mistakened'? What are you mistakened about? NP's role didn't relate to your role as you thought? (You might have said this yesterday, but icr.)
Of course there's always that possibility, but remember that there's probably 1 scum remaining and it's only Day 3, so there is breathing space. (This does not mean we can slack off, however; but the suspect list is dwindling, at least for me).
The other thing, remember that I've been wanting IE to be lynched for most of the game, and I voted for NP, which means that if I was scum, I'd be trying to kill off my entire team. Sure, IE would theoretically have been a low-risk bus considering he was inactive, but NP would have been a high-risk bus since he could help sway the town. An NP bus would be even riskier if IE died also, because it leaves me literally on my own.
The question is whether or not scum me would place his bets on obtaining enough towncred from the buses to be unsuspected for the game's entirity, because I've played enough games to know that buscred doesn't always work out, nor is always longterm. (The answer would be: I wouldn't bus, especially double bus, unless there is no other option, or if I feel there is very low-risk [e.g. I am comfortable].)
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That wagon on NP on Day 1 is the main thing that needs to be looked into, as the interactions between players should reveal the final mafia. The other thing that needs to be checked is Celever's public reads. There's probably a reason why scum killed him over scattered, as both were technically cleared (scattered moreso), and that reason could possibly be that Celever nailed the remaining mafian and scattered did not.
I'm planning on looking at both of these tomorrow, and also take another look at that NP/Drac/IE scumteam that I predicted, plus re-establishing my reads.
Just another thing that should be kept in mind; the OP doesn't exclude the possibility of an indie, so we might find the final mafian, but we might still need to lynch a hostile indie. (Of course, if the nightkill is removed, we've got double the amount of lynches to use, so the last mafian is the obvious priority.)
If 2 scums are down, that means that we have at most 2 more scums to deal with and one indie (which would be crazy, but maybe not with that win condition).
2 scum is highly unlikely (impossible?); remember this is a 12-player game. If there were 4 scum, there would be 8 non-scum, meaning that after one mislynch and nightkill, there would be MYLO, and after two of each there, there would be majority. That's fair too unbalanced.
The scum win condition is to eliminate us all, so that makes our job a little easier, as we can afford mislynching more than usual.
I think that's just the way the hosts worded it. Generally scum win once reaching majority, since technically they can lynch (due to having majority) and nightkill to eliminate the remaining of the town. However @double o squirtle@Vracken's input on that would be great.
If I die tonight, bbninjas is your best bet. I'll post why near the end of today.
Remember that you are the only clear atm, so you dying tonight is already extremely likely without any other factors considered.
Okay, sleep now.
I hope to see @everyone posting their thoughts by tomorrow,, especially who they think is scummiest and why, even if it's just a gut read. Giving solid evidence would be really great though... >.>
2 scum is highly unlikely (impossible?); remember this is a 12-player game. If there were 4 scum, there would be 8 non-scum, meaning that after one mislynch and nightkill, there would be MYLO, and after two of each there, there would be majority. That's fair too unbalanced.
I think that's just the way the hosts worded it. Generally scum win once reaching majority, since technically they can lynch (due to having majority) and nightkill to eliminate the remaining of the town. However @double o squirtle@Vracken's input on that would be great.
Fine, change that to "before I die tonight, bbninjas is your best bet" and I was going to post later on that it is because of your attempt to lynch IE of all inactive players, but you already gave your answer for that, so that is for the town without me to judge. Also because I think it would be easier to spot anyone else but you as scum trying to lead the town to mislynch. So that's why I think it would be safe to go for if no other case arises. (the case is the IE potential bus, which was before the NP wagon, and not together so it is still possible for you to do even if you are the only scum left).
@GM DracLord - Can you go through mordacazir's post and tell what you think about him? (everyone else can do that too, but GM Draclord is online now, and mirdo I already nagged plus bbninjas I already got his read on him from previous posts).
I think that's just the way the hosts worded it. Generally scum win once reaching majority, since technically they can lynch (due to having majority) and nightkill to eliminate the remaining of the town. However @double o squirtle@Vracken's input on that would be great.
@GM DracLord - Can you go through mordacazir's post and tell what you think about him? (everyone else can do that too, but GM Draclord is online now, and mirdo I already nagged plus bbninjas I already got his read on him from previous posts).
Unfortunately I don't the time go through past post. Since I don't stay in the forum for long (Even If I appear online, most of time time just because I didn't close the forum tabs.)
Based on what I remember from my earlier reading of morda post, I do find him posting less often compare to the other games, since I believe the remaining scum would be more active I incline to believe he is the one atm.
I hope that the above 3 come in before the deathline and tell us what they think. Because i haven't seen much out of all of you anyway. I also can't remember the last post by @rainyman123 . You wanna give some thoughts? You put in your Vote quite early If i remember right.
