Meh. His response is fine, he just seems off. Just a hunch. He seems to be a little bit extra defensive is all.
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Meh. His response is fine, he just seems off. Just a hunch. He seems to be a little bit extra defensive is all.
Biggest AtE. Plus pretty much claimed to have a power role.
Where?
Do you mean "It's worth keeping me around"? I read that as being Jesi's own skills she's referring to, not that of her role. Minor fish on SS's part?
Can confirm fish. I never meant anything about my role in there whatsoever. I don't see why I'd need to claim, either, even if subtly, because I said earlier that it's a detriment to opinions as they'll see claims as safeclaims no matter what.
Also, I guess you can say that's AtE, but PP asked for a defence, so I gave him one the best I could.
Also, I guess you can say that's AtE, but PP asked for a defence, so I gave him one the best I could.
No fish there mate, I don't care what her role is.
I read her post as: it's worth keeping me around cos my role is good. (Therefore don't lynch me). Not a townie post.
BTW, just wanna let everyone know that I'll be V/LA from tomorrow until next Saturday. I'll be doing my very best to make a post here and there, as I'll have my laptop with me, but I can say for sure I'll be less active.
Not really, as claiming anything regarding your role so quickly after getting voted is scummy. Fishing is where you ask something about one's role. SS didn't do that.
However, I don't see it as claiming..but that is definitely AtE without offering a real defense or comment on the case itself.
This isn't scummy. Find it funny that a wagon started after this post though. [Future reference.]
Okay, so if I've got it right, the Jesi case is because she is bandwagoning/feigning confusion, scumhunting using meta reads and being concerned about whether her posts appear scummy/town? I think the latter two points are good points that I haven't thought about before now. She's made her defense already, so here's my thoughts on the case:
- I think the bandwagoning and being confused is fairly characteristic. She is new to the game, so while she may be read up, she hasn't got the experience, so confusion makes sense. I can see Jesi scumhunting using metareads occurring as both town and scum due to her inexperience, so null evidence imo. The last point, however, is quite interesting and definitely a legitimate point indicating a scummy alignment. Nevertheless, I don't think that Jesi is the best lynch for today. I think that SS > SM > Jesi for who should be lynched today.
Well, he did. He said:
Nono, the SS case is much more than that:
- echoing/not actually making many contributions
- wagoning
- flippy/trying to cover all bases
- Making strange assumptions that only an informed player (i.e. using the scumchat) should make
- Grasping straws/slight tunneling (finding someone scummy for doing a pro-town thing)
Response to SS is coming soon...
From what you have actually said, virtually your entire vote is assumptions or WIFOM. To top it if, you say "bb seems off" and "I haven't liked how you've been playing". No reasons. This vote screams BIG scum to me.
You misinterpreted. I actually gave a brief explanation in brackets.
Please explain how he "defended himself really well", because this looks like scum saying stuff without logical reasoning.
I wonder why people are voting you...
This is scummy AtE. You haven't defended properly, and instead concluded with a "this is ridiculous [woe is me]".
There's no solid basis here. Scum will say this, town will have a reason.
More unexplained hunch. You've now added the "extra defensive" part, which has been strangely non-existent from everything else you have said.
Very hypocritical. I would say that "this case is ridiculous" is the "biggest AtE", so by this logic, you should be lynched!
So, from this, we can update the SS case!
- WIFOMy vote based on unreasoned and unexplained hunches
- poor defense, topped off with scummy AtE
- Hypocritical
To recap:
The Squirtle Squad case:
- echoing/not actually making many contributions
- wagoning
- flippy/trying to cover all bases
- Making strange assumptions that only an informed player (i.e. using the scumchat) should make
- Grasping straws/slight tunneling (saying someone is scummy for doing a pro-town thing)
- WIFOMy vote based on unreasoned and unexplained hunches
- poor defense, topped off with scummy AtE
- Hypocritical
I think there's a lot more in the SS case then the SM case and the Jesi case, hence why I am much more confident here.
The Squirtle Squad case:
- echoing/not actually making many contributions
- wagoning
- flippy/trying to cover all bases
- Making strange assumptions that only an informed player (i.e. using the scumchat) should make
- Grasping straws/slight tunneling (saying someone is scummy for doing a pro-town thing)
- WIFOMy vote based on unreasoned and unexplained hunches
- poor defense, topped off with scummy AtE
- Hypocritical
I think there's a lot more in the SS case then the SM case and the Jesi case, hence why I am much more confident here.
No. This is what you wrote:
This is what he responded :
He only answered the last part where you said "You're grasping straws". Not to the whole dropping the KX thing, which is apperentely the thing that triggered his case on you.
So I asked him to respond to that. He commented:
So.. @Squirtle Squad , if the defense is fine, what evidence you have about bbninjas being scummy? You think that he is a little extra defensive? That is something entirely new that you never brought before. Care to explain your case? Is it just a hunch? Then why do you think it is better than the case on Jesi? What do you think about the case on Jesi?
But that's what I quoted...? <~>;
I think one of us is misunderstanding the other, because I agree on what you said in regards to that post, in that although it was his response, it didn't really respond to anything at all.
Can someone make a large scale case of Jesi, using her posts as evidence? All I see her as is a trigger happy player who loves to bandwagon and AtE. She may be suspicious, but she did not do anything obviously scummy. On the other hand, Squirtle Squad is relying on a "hunch" he can't explain to vote a neutral.
P.S. I've finished reading Mafia XXIX (Melee, as it was the most recent game played in chat to not have the winner in the title) to get meta reads on people.
P.S. I've finished reading Mafia XXIX (Melee, as it was the most recent game played in chat to not have the winner in the title) to get meta reads on people.
But that's what I quoted...? <~>;
I think one of us is misunderstanding the other, because I agree on what you said in regards to that post, in that although it was his response, it didn't really respond to anything at all.
Oh I see. I thought you meant that he commented properly.
Why can't you make a large scale case on Jesi, using her posts as evidence?
Firstly, Melee is old and won't be as accurate for meta reads. It's also a single game. Secondly, meta reads are not everything, so please don't focus solely on meta reads if that's your plan.
I can't make a case on Jesi because I don't believe she is scum. Her posts only convey to me a player who is too easily persuaded by others (which in some ways is scummy, but at the same time seems like what she normally does (base on everybody's responses to the mini arguments made against her)). Remember, my vote is on Squirtle Squad, not Jesi. Also, I don't plan to base everything off of meta reads from an old game, I just plan to use those games to know a bit about players (e.g. Camoclone is always uber aggressive, Reinforce makes long (but not too common) posts), so things that seem suspicious to me about them (like my first impression of Camoclone) are not used as arguments against them.
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