Finished Mafia XXXV: Pokemon Card GB3: Team GR's Last Stand

[Scattered mind]

What good will claiming do? I don't understand. People aren't going to listen to the claim even if he posts it, like what happened to Quaking. They'll label it a safe claim no matter what.
Also, the points against SS are very strong, in my opinion. Why would an ability like that immediately make him scum? I think he's voting for the benefit of the doubt, but like Reinforce has said, it could be either alignment's ability/card. Besides, how do we know BB has the ability? How do we know it wasn't just someone using a card or ability effect? Not only this, but since we know the effect redirected to you, you should have received a PM with the buff details, since KX has stated he was notified that you were affected instead of BB.

##Unvote: Scattered Mind
##Vote: Squirtle Squad

I expect to hear an explanation to why you supposedly "weren't alerted" to this buff. What are you hiding from us?

Can you comment on what KX said about the buff?

 

[VinculumStellarum]

I was actually going to do that but I forgot. Whoops.

The buff is supposed to activate at night which may be why SS wasn't notified

I'm not entirely sure what a buff at night would do, but I still think there would've been an alert about it. I'll wait for KX to return and possibly explain.

 

[Scattered mind]

I was actually going to do that but I forgot. Whoops.


I'm not entirely sure what a buff at night would do, but I still think there would've been an alert about it. I'll wait for KX to return and possibly explain.

But.. why? KX's ability probably says something like "pick a player , they will be something next night" . Why would the player be alerted before the buff happens?

 

[Squirtle Squad]

So, this pressure on scattered really isn't changing my mind, to be honest. SM feels genuine, but feelings are not everything. I'm reading quite borderline - it's a good lynch, but I'm not confident about the flip.

I noticed that there was discussion about Vom and activity, but I am not following it, so could someone explain please?

Meanwhile, SS is weird:


This isn't much of a defense...


Firstly, from where did you draw the assumption that I have a self-redirecting Ability? That's a big assumption to make, unless you are informed somehow (through scumbuddies, perhaps) that indicates this. Or, you are simply finding an excuse to vote me... which is a reason flawed in itself, as having such an ability has no solid correlation to me being scum.


So, you are saying that town should continue pushing a case when it should be dropped, which wastes time? Isn't that anti-town? Why am I not allowed to do the pro-town thing and drop a case when it needs to be dropped? Your accusation only makes sense when you have made the assumption that I'm scum beforehand. You're grasping straws.


Please explain.

I've got some solid points to add to the Squirtle Squad case:
- Making strange assumptions that only an informed player (i.e. using the scumchat) should make
- Grasping straws/slight tunneling (finding someone scummy for doing a pro-town thing)

Wow, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. Yeah it was an assumption? So can I not make a theory??
It was a simple post with a simple statement that you and all of your sheep talk out of proportion to make it this big deal. I made a simple comment, that if you did have some kind of self redirection then that's dodgy, that's all. Plus I haven't liked how you've been playing so I voted you. Simple. No I don't have specific posts, you just seem off that is all.

There are no straws being grasped, nor is there tunnelling. If I was tunnelling I would have made a massive deal about me voting you and that everyone else should too. Never did I say everyone get on and Lynch him.

And that last bit I had to "explain" about scattered. Did you read the same quote that I did or did you accidentally copy the wrong quote? It's ok, we all accidentally quote the wrong stuff.
That post was me explaining why I thought scattered was town. "EXPLAINING why I thought he was town"

In all truth, your logic for this vote is "If it happens to be an ability that redirects off of BB, it means he could be scum, though not necessarily." A vote with two obvious flaws you admitted yourself (he does not necessarily have that role, it is not too likely too be scum) on the only (small) piece of evidence you have seems like a shot in the dark to me, as we have more evidence for a couple other lynches. Although you did not look too scummy before, I am starting to doubt you now.

@Squirtle Squad Maybe you attempted to start that lynch to bring pressure off of your fellow scums.

Yes it was a shot in the dark. I saw something that I didn't like and I made small post about it. I wa trying to do the pro-town thing of making a case but I'm getting shot to pieces for it.

What?

You yourself have stated that redirection ability isn't indicative of alignment "because it can be on town roles too", so why think and vote bbninjas is scum with that reasoning?

Twisting the facts and posting a conclusion that paints someone as scum when the actual logical conclusion is just neutral is a scum tactic to start and push a lynch on town.

##VOTE: Squirtle Squad

There are no twisted facts here? If I was in fact "twisting the facts" I would have claimed that Id only ever used the role on scum. But I was honest and made the honest claim that while it's not always scummy it could potentially be a town role. Simple. You're just echoing the other sheep with different wording.

What good will claiming do? I don't understand. People aren't going to listen to the claim even if he posts it, like what happened to Quaking. They'll label it a safe claim no matter what.
Also, the points against SS are very strong, in my opinion. Why would an ability like that immediately make him scum? I think he's voting for the benefit of the doubt, but like Reinforce has said, it could be either alignment's ability/card. Besides, how do we know BB has the ability? How do we know it wasn't just someone using a card or ability effect? Not only this, but since we know the effect redirected to you, you should have received a PM with the buff details, since KX has stated he was notified that you were affected instead of BB.

##Unvote: Scattered Mind
##Vote: Squirtle Squad

I expect to hear an explanation to why you supposedly "weren't alerted" to this buff. What are you hiding from us?

Haha the points against me a strong? That's funny.

So you want to hear the explanation of why I wasn't alerted? How about because I wasn't alerted? I literally received no message or indication that anything has happened to me.


So to sum up. This case on me is ridiculous.

 

[VinculumStellarum]

But.. why? KX's ability probably says something like "pick a player , they will be something next night" . Why would the player be alerted before the buff happens?

...Oh, I never thought it could be something like that. I assumed it would be something on the same night. Whoops.

 

[Scattered mind]

##VOTE: PikaMasterJesi

Not paying attention to cases she hops on. And I don't buy all of these so called confusions about missing stuff, such as KX's post.

 

[King Xerneas]

@King Xerneas , so you used the buff during the day? I'm confused

It was an action I used last night. I meant to buff bb, but SS got it instead. The buff won't be active until tonight if he has an ability that can be used at night.

 

[Jabberwock]

@Squirtle Squad do you still think bb is scummy? If not, who, in your opinion, is scummier?

 

[NinjaPenguin]

I haven't liked how you've been playing so I voted you. Simple. No I don't have specific posts, you just seem off that is all.

When did he feel off? Could you find something to show me this is not an easy to make excuse. Until you do, my vote stands.

 

[Camoclone]

^He's town.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

Also, could someone make me a case on Jesi. I know she has been echoing and bandwagoning to the extreme, but her willingness to jump on every case makes me think she is town, because she would not want to lynch one of her fellow scum. (Unless nobody we've targeted is scum, but that would be pathetic)

 

[NinjaPenguin]

^He's town.

Me, or Squirtle Squad

 

[VinculumStellarum]

I think he actually means BB. And on that topic, I haven't noticed anything different in how he's been playing from game to game.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

I don't think it's BB, just because a simple post like He's Town would not take four minutes to write, which was the time between those two posts. From what I've seen so far this game, Camo's "^" is always directed at the post directly above it.

 

[King Xerneas]

I don't think it's BB, just because a simple post like He's Town would not take four minutes to write, which was the time between those two posts. From what I've seen so far this game, Camo's "^" is always directed at the post directly above it.

Camo is also one you shouldn't always take claims like that seriously, he could be saying it sarcastically which wouldn't surprise me.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

@King Xerneas Yeah, but even then I would want to know who he was talking about sarcastically.

 

[Camoclone]

He is referencing the author of the post above.

 

[Vom]

I haven't noticed anything different in how he's been playing from game to game.

You shouldn't base a case solely on meta, people can improve/change their strategy.

''Their" best candidate? So you don't feel like you're part of the town?

@GM DracLord please answer this. You may have missed the quote alert, but no way you're missing that and this.

 

[Professor Palutena]

##VOTE: PikaMasterJesi

I feel like her reliance on meta reads is a scumtell in this situation, because it allows her to feign scumhunting by making posts like "They weren't like that in last game". It's very low effort to the point of barely contributing, and she's been doing it all game. This is especially notable for the scattered mind wagon, which she places herself on yet doesn't understand the case - which is a prime bandwagoning post. The wagon only has 3 votes on it, so I think she's trying to hide the bandwagon.

Also, I want to point out her response to Drac's vote on her (post 943). "I don't see anything I did as wrong" feels like a mafioso thinking that their cover has been blown.

 

[VinculumStellarum]

I've just been trying my best to contribute and improve. If I look scummy trying, so be it. I've just tried to be helpful and it's obviously not doing anything productive.

"I don't see anything I did as wrong" feels like a mafioso thinking that their cover has been blown.

I said this because I actually didn't see anything wrong with what I was doing, not because I'm a mafioso. The vote seemed random to me and I couldn't find the explanation to why it was placed in that post, if there was one.

You shouldn't base a case solely on meta, people can improve/change their strategy.

Good point. I'll keep that in mind for the future.