Finished Mafia XXXV: Pokemon Card GB3: Team GR's Last Stand

[Vom]

Sorry guys, been a busy day, got some stitches removed but I had to wait a lot, but I'm mostly caught up.

I didn't see much of him during D1, either.

I don't remember seeing much of you in D1 either :U (I could be mistaken, this is completely off the top of my head ). Okay, seriously now:

@Vom - Help us out here. What do you think about the case on SS?

From what I've read, his case is based on him echoing/not making posts of substance (like he usually does), but he's not done anything terribly scummy as of now, so I'm half-willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I could see him as scum, but I'm not sure just yet. However if he keeps this up that could very well change.

If it's a self redirecting ability that belongs to bb it could be a potential scum ability, though I've used on town roles too.

For what it's worth, I've never really seen a magnet ability (not that I remember, anyway) in the games in which I've played, but apparently PMJ is an experienced mafia host so I guess it's likely that there are ability concepts I've never seen before.
If it is a magnet, though, I'd be inclined to think that it's a scum ability. I mean, it makes sense that scum would want to steal bonuses from the town/cover their teammates' tracks. However, it could very well be a town trying to protect someone from the Nightkill or w/e, so I wouldn't make a case on bb using only that.

Also, my opinion on sm hasn't changed a lot since yesterday, he's still leaning town to me.

Also welcome @NinjaPenguin !

 

[Jabberwock]

I don't remember seeing much of you in D1 either :U (I could be mistaken, this is completely off the top of my head ).

Well, but scattered's not claiming that I was super active. :U

Also, my opinion on sm hasn't changed a lot since yesterday, he's still leaning town to me.

I missed a lot of yesterday. Remind me why it was you thought scattered was town?

 

[Scattered mind]

Well, but scattered's not claiming that I was super active. :U

When did I claim that Vom is super active? I said that he was relatively active - in compression to his scum meta activeness, which is a lot different.

 

[VinculumStellarum]

He was referring to how you didn't claim that Jabber wasn't super active, I think.

 

[Scattered mind]

He was referring to how you didn't claim that Jabber wasn't super active, I think.

I know. And I said I didn't claim Vom to be super active either.

 

[VinculumStellarum]

I know that, too. Now I'm confused... >_<"

 

[Jabberwock]

I meant "super active" in a mildly hyperbolic way. Sorry about the confusion there.

 

[NinjaPenguin]

I was able to sneak in for a couple of minutes, so I won't be able to talk until tomorrow morning. @Camoclone The sarcasm I mentioned was not about real life vs online, those are completely different, and I'll be the first to admit that the skills do not transfer over whatsoever. The sarcasm was involving the post in which you unvoted Scattered, which I thought was a legitimate unvote, not the pure sarcasm it truly was.

 

[Vom]

Remind me why it was you thought scattered was town?

About sm, I'm not completely sold on his case. Of course part of me thinks something's off, but him not contributing as much as he usually does is not really a valid point, even if it does make him look kinda suspicious. If you think about it, that argument is the same that was used for KX, him not playing at the top of his game. But from what I read, the persons involved agreed that that wasn't a good reason for a case, and the case was later dropped. Now, some people are starting to accept that reason because Camo is the one making the case, and that's definitely off.

 

[Camoclone]

It wasn't sarcasm. I was just fishing.

 

[bbninjas]

So, you guys make four pages of loooong post overnight... but only 8 (short) posts while I'm at school. Go figure. I'll post my thoughts in a bit.

 

[bbninjas]

So, this pressure on scattered really isn't changing my mind, to be honest. SM feels genuine, but feelings are not everything. I'm reading quite borderline - it's a good lynch, but I'm not confident about the flip.

I noticed that there was discussion about Vom and activity, but I am not following it, so could someone explain please?

Meanwhile, SS is weird:

Ok I'm here.
I can see why you'd say that I "echoed" but look at what TGK posted, it was in fact scummy as (in my eyes) so why wouldn't I vote him. Are you saying that to lynch someone who takes 9 votes to lynch then each person on the wagon needs to provide something 100% unique to what the others are saying?

To me, it was completely scummy on TGKs part and I thought that deserved a vote simple.

This isn't much of a defense...

##vote: bbninjas
If it's a self redirecting ability that belongs to bb it could be a potential scum ability, though I've used on town roles too.

Firstly, from where did you draw the assumption that I have a self-redirecting Ability? That's a big assumption to make, unless you are informed somehow (through scumbuddies, perhaps) that indicates this. Or, you are simply finding an excuse to vote me... which is a reason flawed in itself, as having such an ability has no solid correlation to me being scum.

The whole thing I saw with bb, which combined with the potential self redirect is why I'm voting him, was that to me
It sounds like he made that "case" to at least look like a townie making cases but then he dropped it pretty quick...

So, you are saying that town should continue pushing a case when it should be dropped, which wastes time? Isn't that anti-town? Why am I not allowed to do the pro-town thing and drop a case when it needs to be dropped? Your accusation only makes sense when you have made the assumption that I'm scum beforehand. You're grasping straws.

I'm now unsure about scattered, everyone seems to be riding him for being scum, but personally I don't really see it, yesterday he defended himself really well which makes him town in my eyes.

Please explain.

I've got some solid points to add to the Squirtle Squad case:
- Making strange assumptions that only an informed player (i.e. using the scumchat) should make
- Grasping straws/slight tunneling (finding someone scummy for doing a pro-town thing)

 

[Scattered mind]

I noticed that there was discussion about Vom and activity, but I am not following it, so could someone explain please?

I'd actually say Vom's inactiveness over the course of subsequent days is a point in favor of him being scum. I didn't see much of him during D1, either.

Vom was very active D1- As I said, when Vom is inactive, it is usually a big sign that he is scum. Here are the posts of Vom throughout D1:

Spoiler

Thanks!

>.>

>.>

Ok, on to the actual game. \o/



Even though I kinda read you as town so far, this got my attention. First, why would you lie about not knowing how to scumhunt? Second, you can't lie unintentionally. Third, admitting to lying but saying it wasn't intentional is a terrible argument to justify your lying : <

It's ok, people forget. Plus, I don't think we've met lol.

But...you said you lied about it, even if unintentionally. And now you're saying you didn't. This is getting confusing. Did you or did you not lie about forgetting how to scumhunt?

Hm, fair enough, I guess. However, the best ways to protect you from a lynch are being clear (which you really aren't rn), not lying (if you do, you better have a good reason to, which you don't really have unless you're scum and are trying to look inexperienced), and obviously not going around screaming you're scum. You have like only 1 of those things, but it's D1, there are no other leads rn, and if you keep this up chances are you'll get lynched. Better explain yourself, and properly.

I should prob go and read that. Tons of people Idk D:

Awesome, let's do it. The sooner the better!

I choose to believe you for now, but that's completely based on gut and not actual facts.

You don't have to vote in order to contribute, just sharing your thoughts and stuff is good. Also, yes, apparently you should. If you're playing, whether you're active or not, you should follow or at the very least have some general idea of what's going on.

Hm, that's actually a good point. Thinking of it, I haven't seen it either. Must be a QT partner(s).

@ExcalAura4D it's been almost 20 minutes and you're still viewing the thread. What's taking so long?

You shouldn't see it as an automatic scumtell, unless it's all the person does.

Excal, not responding with an actual answer is what gets people killed. I see your sarcasm as stalling/avoiding the question, and you shouldn't really need to if you're town.

Ok, so this probably isn't anything and a bit of a stretch, but here I go: in this post, morda quotes a couple of posts, including the one where Jesi tags Excal to let them know D1 started. So, fsr I start to wonder, why does Jesi tag Excal, of all people? I thought it was because Excal hadn't liked PMJ's post (and still hasn't, ftr) but if that were the case Jesi would have told Excal exactly that, to go like PMJ's post.
So, it must be some other reason, so probably the fact they hadn't posted. And there's nothing wrong with that, except that at that point in time there were also other people to call out, and iirc Excal wasn't viewing the thread, so it wasn't a 'you're reading this so come talk' post. Jesi wanted Excal to come on the site and start posting. Again, nothing wrong with that, but with doubts about both of those players, my paranoid self couldn't help but make some theory about it. Again, probably nothing but me overthinking things, but I think it could be plausible enough to help later in the game should the need arise.


Here's where Jesi tags Excal out of nowhere.

Here's where Excal says they've been told to contribute and comment on the state of the game, and ftr still hasn't answered our questions on that. We've been over this post already, so it doesn't really need more explaining.

Here's bb picking up on that fact and asking Excal who said they should contribute. Here is where I say a QT partner must have told Excal about that, but it's still without an actual answer.

Here is Jesi saying basically the same thing as bb in the other post.

So, taking into account those posts, here is my kind of stretched theory:

• There's chitchat in the scum chat, and since there are new players in it, the more experienced ones coach them a little. For example, telling them to be active and contribute.
• Jesi sticks to that, and seeing as how Excal isn't posting or viewing the thread, she tags him.
• Excal tries to stick to the plan but slips, saying he's been told to contribute. Then, when questioned about it by bb and I, he ignores the question and is sarcastic about it, respectively. I'm still really bugged about this.
  
• Seeing as how her partner is getting in trouble, Jesi repeats what bb says in an effort to get some town cred should we find out Excal is scum.
• That's p much it.

Not a strong theory, falls apart if either of them are town, but I think it's worth a [Future Reference] tag in case either of the is lynched in the future and turns out to be scum.

Sure, but there are more efficient ways of telling someone the game started than tagging them in the thread if you know them irl.

...where? I don't remember seeing this in the thread.

It is, but is not recommended. Like, at all. See Jesi for reference : <

ICNCND stands for 'I Can Neither KoNfirm Nor Deny'

Maybe...Idk...an actual explanation for what Celever's asking you?

These are actually good arguments, though I can't really tell about the third point bc I never have played qp before, I'll have to read a previous game. Also, Idk if it's of any help, but when qp played in FE WW (where @Keeper and I were your amazing and lovable hosts <3) he had a clear and concise line of thought for his every action, always with the objective of getting town cred. Also, he didn't really strike me as an aggressive player.

@quakingpunch73 , what's your line of thought for basically 'I'm town guys fr 100% sure don't lynch me. Instead please take a look at Celever and Jesi, they agree, they're obviously scum.' How will this help you? How will this get you town cred?

Also, ppl should prob stop placing votes on qp until we get a vote count.

Ok, ok, sorry lol. School's been over for almost a week now.

##VOTE: quakingpunch73

Ahhhh, I got ninja'd. Taking back that vote. ##UNVOTE


They're probably cards that only Team GR can use.

It does seem believable, but I have trust issues with any claims that involve a double agent or something like that.

Wait, hammered already? What happened to majority of 11? : <

No, you should always have at least some kind of issue with any given lynch unless you're 100% you're lynching scum. Lynching town isn't desirable, even if you get info. Lynching scum>Lynching town+info.

Also, what happened to all that 'I'm town guys' thingy?

Nono, I unvoted right after.

Which is why more discussion time is useful. :U

Nono, please take that vote back, or someone could hammer qp : <

Having someone at L-2 is still dangerous, a mayor could come in and hammer.

Basically what TDK said, it's placing the final vote need for someone's lynch.

Ideally, we hammer shortly before the Day ends, or not at all. The more time to discuss, the better.

How your day went, if you killed someone, if you didn't, if you slapped TDK or Jabber with a trout, and WW-related thingies. Like maybe elaborating a bit on your qp vote. :3

This doesn't have to be a huge paragraph either, just a little explanation. ^.^

Hey, that's what the two of you get <3

Ok, let's not get too off-topic here. But I do love it too. It just...feels so good. :3

Post it anyway!

I understand your frustration,but that last sentence just seems like AtE and makes you look slightly suspicious.

About sm, I'm not completely sold on his case. Of course part of me thinks something's off, but him not contributing as much as he usually does is not really a valid point, even if it does make him look kinda suspicious. If you think about it, that argument is the same that was used for KX, him not playing at the top of his game. But from what I read, the persons involved agreed that that wasn't a good reason for a case, and the case was later dropped. Now, some people are starting to accept that reason because Camo is the one making the case, and that's definitely off.

Yes, keep that up and you'll be rich.
I wouldn't say you're set on defending TGK, but both of your posts saying that you play scummy even if you're town also include him. That's just something I'll keep in mind should either of you flip scum later down the road.

I can confirm that as of 7:05 PM EST Carson's Internet works just fine.

Well, if the only thing you're gonna do is complain about your case, you might as well just vote for yourself.

This is what got me to read him townie. Jabber says now that he was not active D2, which is true, so I asked Vom for what he thinks about the case on SS, and to see how he contributes today.

 

[bbninjas]

Vom's activity hasn't ever related to his alignment, rather IRL. It's just coincidental that he's been scum a lot during his busier times, but he's also been inactive town just as much.

 

[Scattered mind]

Vom's activity hasn't ever related to his alignment, rather IRL. It's just coincidental that he's been scum a lot during his busier times, but he's also been inactive town just as much.

ok.. so maybe not.

 

[mordacazir]

Vom was active D1, so I don't think he is scum. Scattered mind is getting more scummy with everything he says, and maybe he can claim? I just woke up, so if something isn't right don't blame me.

 

[Scattered mind]

Vom was active D1, so I don't think he is scum. Scattered mind is getting more scummy with everything he says, and maybe he can claim? I just woke up, so if something isn't right don't blame me.

Please explain, what am I doing that makes you think I am getting more and more scummy? What is it in my posts that makes you feel that way?

 

[GM DracLord]

Whoops. none of the tag work and I lost track of time''

Scattered I do believe you need to reveal atleast something to gain trust back. From what I see you're their best candidate atm (based on voting)

 

[Scattered mind]

Whoops. none of the tag work and I lost track of time''

Scattered I do believe you need to reveal atleast something to gain trust back. From what I see you're their best candidate atm (based on voting)

Deal. Right after mordacazir answers.

 

[GM DracLord]

Deal. Right after mordacazir answers.

Seems fair enough..

Anyway, is either this 2 on leave?
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