The Next Rotation

Eron said:
Shining Goodra said:
It can only be BCR - ON or PLB- ON, you can't rotate PS or BCR alone because the English sets and Japanese sets have mixed cards and it'd make it so we have too much of a difference in the Metas, one of us would end up with Lazer bank, one would end up without skyla and so on.

Which the only possible rotation options at this time are BCR, Plasma blast, or LTR-On.
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LTR-ON would be very dumb, I mean, rotate all BW but 4 sets (3 are already rotated) in just 1 year? I don't think TPCi would do that, we can't make a lot of decks with XY stuff, and also think about people, including myself, that didn't buy XY boosters, boxes, tins and all that.
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I wouldn't be upset over LTR-ON though. I'm honestly expecting Plasma Blast-ON, then XY-ON for 15'-16' season.
 
@Camoclone
I said "kind of broken" as opposed to straight up broken.
I feel this way because, after the catcher nerf, stage 2 pokemon decks became more viable...which I think is a good thing. I used to play Klinklang and hated when my opponent catchered up my lone Klink on the bench T1/2. But now that the nerf is in play, why should squirtle get some protection from attacks? I do understand he was printed before the errata, but I feel that pokemon that can avoid damage should be only safeguarding ones. Like if you have a jirachi EX on the bench I am ok with that, but with a Mr. Mime also there kind of ruins the whole aspect of Jirachi; a great ability but terrible HP and able to be frost speared / hammerheadded / etc.
And Korrina is not better then Skyla at all (outside of fighting decks), but I do think its more balanced version of skyla. How many times have you had a hand where your only supporter is skyla? For me, many times. I think it challenges deck makers to run random receiver and a not-so-thick korrina line to replace draw support. And to be honest, most of the time I'm grabbing a laser, band, switch, or catcher with my skyla...AKA all cards retrievable by korrina. The only downside for me is the fact that it can't get stadiums, but after the rotation Comp search will also be gone so nothing will be able to get a stadium anyways.
 
I think BCR-on would be a much more fun format. Flygon, Altaria, and Landuros are both in there a long with Skyla. Also it was the base set for BW2.
 
RE: BW- On format Discussion

thood said:
This new format will still be more fun than modified! I'd love to see how decks like Klinklang and Zeels stand up to current decks like ViriGen, and Yveltal. Plus cards like Durant and Chandelure will be fun plays.
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Take your Klinklang and Zeels deck and pair it up against VirGen and Yveltal deck at a league. Pretty fun matches.

I hate this idea. It is going to be the most broken format. Eels and Tropical Beach are back which makes me kind of sad. I guess I will put together my Meweels deck.

Decks I expect:
Eels
Energy Accelerators or Movers.
Big Basics
Dark
Garbodor
Fighting

a lot of these will over lap. I think this deck is going to be either very unfriendly to rouge decks or very friendly towards them.
 
Shining Goodra said:
Eron said:
LTR-ON would be very dumb, I mean, rotate all BW but 4 sets (3 are already rotated) in just 1 year? I don't think TPCi would do that, we can't make a lot of decks with XY stuff, and also think about people, including myself, that didn't buy XY boosters, boxes, tins and all that.
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I wouldn't be upset over LTR-ON though. I'm honestly expecting Plasma Blast-ON, then XY-ON for 15'-16' season.
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I would a lot, I use a Plasma deck, but if I can get to make a Fighing deck, for me, BW can be rotated. I expect a LTR-ON for 15'-16' season, but ofc it might also be XY-ON

EDIT: And I'm calling this: we will also have a discussion for 15'-16' season, like now about Plasma or BRC, in that case I think it will be that if they will make it LTR or XY - ON.
 
Elbow said:
@Camoclone
I said "kind of broken" as opposed to straight up broken.
I feel this way because, after the catcher nerf, stage 2 pokemon decks became more viable...which I think is a good thing. I used to play Klinklang and hated when my opponent catchered up my lone Klink on the bench T1/2. But now that the nerf is in play, why should squirtle get some protection from attacks? I do understand he was printed before the errata, but I feel that pokemon that can avoid damage should be only safeguarding ones. Like if you have a jirachi EX on the bench I am ok with that, but with a Mr. Mime also there kind of ruins the whole aspect of Jirachi; a great ability but terrible HP and able to be frost speared / hammerheadded / etc.
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That's not really what "broken" means at all. Something being "broken" means that it changes the format and everything. Squirtle is no where near doing that. Just because Squirtle and Mime is a thing it doesn't stop Genesect EX, Darkrai EX, Landorous EX, or Kyurem. Blastoise (and Mime) isn't even played that much anymore. Not only that but to kill a 60 HP pokemon by sniping it you have to snipe it twice. That is incredibly unlikely.

Elbow said:
And Korrina is not better then Skyla at all (outside of fighting decks), but I do think its more balanced version of skyla. How many times have you had a hand where your only supporter is skyla? For me, many times. I think it challenges deck makers to run random receiver and a not-so-thick korrina line to replace draw support. And to be honest, most of the time I'm grabbing a laser, band, switch, or catcher with my skyla...AKA all cards retrievable by korrina. The only downside for me is the fact that it can't get stadiums, but after the rotation Comp search will also be gone so nothing will be able to get a stadium anyways.
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Skyla is an insanely balanced card. Having a hand where your only supporter is Skyla is bad. It's one of the many reasons why Skyla is balanced. Korrina won't challenge deck makers to play random receiver because they simply won't play Korrina outside of Fighting Decks. It's not a good enough card.

The only reason Pokemon might rotate BCR is because of Landorous. Landorous is the only thing that Fighting decks really need because it allows them to OHKO.
 
Lucario is a basically the new Landorus, without the bench damage. But with Dusknoir, it does make all the difference.
 
Frost Mage said:
Lucario is a basically the new Landorus, without the bench damage. But with Dusknoir, it does make all the difference.
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That's not really true... The bench damage is huge because it actually allows fighting to OHKO. If Landorous EX was not rotated then Fighting would be a really strong deck.
 
Mainly, I'd just be using Lucario EX for Screw Blow ( [F] 60 Damage: Draw cards until you have 6 cards in your hand). I like it since it's built in draw support and can help if you don't have a supporter in hand that turn (which I usually don't. Lolz). If I needed to, I could of course use Hurricane Kick to get that Extra boost of Energy. If my math adds up correctly, (60 from screw blow + 20 (strong energy) + 20 (strong energy) + 20 (muscle band) + 20 (fighting stadium) + 40 (for 2 Machamp FRF)) Then I can pretty much OHKO any non Mega Pokemon other than an EX resistant to Fighting, which is why I'd run a 1-0-1 Dusknoir. I dunno, still trying to think up deck ideas for Lucario EX.
 
Camoclone said:
Frost Mage said:
Lucario is a basically the new Landorus, without the bench damage. But with Dusknoir, it does make all the difference.
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That's not really true... The bench damage is huge because it actually allows fighting to OHKO. If Landorous EX was not rotated then Fighting would be a really strong deck.
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Addressing both of you;
I don't think you'd really play Dusknoir over Machamp
And while Landorus would be good, I don't believe it would be much better than Lucario due to the fact that Corkscrew Smash is insanely powerful! And lucario ignores resistance which I huge.

Now let's look at te rotation and past ones to make a good assumption;
BW-on: start of FA Cards and was the BW base set so it made sense
NXD-on: start of EXs
BCR-on: 1) start of Ace-SPECS 2) it was basically the B2W2's base set so it would follow suit for both of the last two rotations. 3) that would rotate exactly 3 sets and follow past rotations.

BCR-on makes the most sense IMHO
 
I think Lucario/Machamp will be the best deck to come out of this set. It is a Stage 1(Escapes Pyroar), Does good damage, and Is Fighting Compatible.
 
AlexanderTheAwesome said:
Camoclone said:
That's not really true... The bench damage is huge because it actually allows fighting to OHKO. If Landorous EX was not rotated then Fighting would be a really strong deck.
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Addressing both of you;
I don't think you'd really play Dusknoir over Machamp
And while Landorus would be good, I don't believe it would be much better than Lucario due to the fact that Corkscrew Smash is insanely powerful! And lucario ignores resistance which I huge.

Now let's look at te rotation and past ones to make a good assumption;
BW-on: start of FA Cards and was the BW base set so it made sense
NXD-on: start of EXs
BCR-on: 1) start of Ace-SPECS 2) it was basically the B2W2's base set so it would follow suit for both of the last two rotations. 3) that would rotate exactly 3 sets and follow past rotations.

BCR-on makes the most sense IMHO
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...May I add to the rotation history?

...why do I want to ask?

^ because in case if history is a guide(below details taken from bulbapedia and summarized), let's look at the past and see if there's a pattern to determine the future:

2007-08 Modified: Start of first 2 DP sets
2008-09 Modified: All remaining RS EX cards rotated out to make DP-On.
2009-10 Modified: First and only(so far) season w/o rotation
2010-11 Modified: First DP cards rotated out, initial emergence of BW
2011-12 Modified: All DP sets prior to HGSS rotated out
2012-13 Modified: BW-Plasma Freeze legal expansions
2013-14 Modified: Next Destinies-On legal expansions
2014-15 Modified: (set unknown at this time)-On legal expansions

^ Before you make a final decision on which one, among the possibilities provided to you by Alexander plus PLS-On, is more likely, look at the rotation history before and within the BW-XY era. TPCi knows the next rotation, but we can still decide whether there's a pattern to dictate the next rotation before they announce it, in case we want to make it less uncertain ahead of time...
 
Mr.Muffin said:
I think Lucario/Machamp will be the best deck to come out of this set. It is a Stage 1(Escapes Pyroar), Does good damage, and Is Fighting Compatible.
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It's a stage 2 and requires 3 energy so I would call it a "soft" counter to Pyroar. It would help, but it doesn't out right blow through it.
 
Mr.Muffin said:
I think Lucario/Machamp will be the best deck to come out of this set. It is a Stage 1(Escapes Pyroar), Does good damage, and Is Fighting Compatible.
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Lucario/Garbodor/Dedenne

Garbodor>All Pokémon with Abilities.
Better than a Stage 2, you only need a Stage 1.
 
Ironman131 said:
N is likley going to stay in because it was reprinted as black white promo 100 or 101
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N is staying, he was promo 100. 101 was Red Genesect iirc. :)
 
Eron said:
Mr.Muffin said:
I think Lucario/Machamp will be the best deck to come out of this set. It is a Stage 1(Escapes Pyroar), Does good damage, and Is Fighting Compatible.
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Lucario/Garbodor/Dedenne

Garbodor>All Pokémon with Abilities.
Better than a Stage 2, you only need a Stage 1.
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That's assuming that you are actually going up against a deck with abilities, though.
 
Frost Mage said:
Eron said:
Lucario/Garbodor/Dedenne

Garbodor>All Pokémon with Abilities.
Better than a Stage 2, you only need a Stage 1.
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That's assuming that you are actually going up against a deck with abilities, though.
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Well, almost all decks depend on abilities. Some like Yveltal don't.
 
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