Tier List (Update: 12/9)
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RE: Tier List
But DonChamp wasn't in the Top 16...at ALL.
But DonChamp wasn't in the Top 16...at ALL.
RE: Tier List
tbh, it isn't deck design's fault. More should be blamed on the severe amount of yanmegas. But it might have to go down to Tier 2 and Donchamp players seriously need to add Ruins of Alph on their lists.
OU Pokemon said:
tbh, it isn't deck design's fault. More should be blamed on the severe amount of yanmegas. But it might have to go down to Tier 2 and Donchamp players seriously need to add Ruins of Alph on their lists.
RE: Tier List
Can someone explain to me how:
Reshiram Typhloshion > Reshiram / Emboar
There seams to be this sentiment when talking about top tier decks and I want to know why everyone thinks that Typhloshion has the edge against Emboar?
Can someone explain to me how:
Reshiram Typhloshion > Reshiram / Emboar
There seams to be this sentiment when talking about top tier decks and I want to know why everyone thinks that Typhloshion has the edge against Emboar?
RE: Tier List
^Here's a few reasons why:
-Typhlosion's retreat is half of Emboar's(which helps against Catcher)
-Typhlosion has a great attack(destroys DCE users)
-with Typhlosion, you never run out of energy(and lets you run less because of it)
Just run 3/4 Sage's Training, 4 Juniper, and 4 Junk Arm, and you can get the Fire energy in the discard, no problem.
^Here's a few reasons why:
-Typhlosion's retreat is half of Emboar's(which helps against Catcher)
-Typhlosion has a great attack(destroys DCE users)
-with Typhlosion, you never run out of energy(and lets you run less because of it)
Just run 3/4 Sage's Training, 4 Juniper, and 4 Junk Arm, and you can get the Fire energy in the discard, no problem.
RE: Tier List
The biggest problem for Donchamp is that, other than ruins of Alph (or Champ Buster), it has no real answer to Yanmega. Unfortunately, ruins leaves Donphan open to lightning based moves such as Zekrom or Magnezone, both which are often paired with Yanmega.
The biggest problem for Donchamp is that, other than ruins of Alph (or Champ Buster), it has no real answer to Yanmega. Unfortunately, ruins leaves Donphan open to lightning based moves such as Zekrom or Magnezone, both which are often paired with Yanmega.
RE: Tier List
You know what makes DonChamp lose to Yanmega?
Judge.
The deck's draw sucks as it is, and when you need to top deck a PONT or Juniper from Judge, you're really on a scramble.
You know what makes DonChamp lose to Yanmega?
Judge.
The deck's draw sucks as it is, and when you need to top deck a PONT or Juniper from Judge, you're really on a scramble.
RE: Tier List
Thank you. DonChamp isn't good because of consistency issues, not because certain deck have good type advantages. The one DonChamp I played at Nats, I just Reversaled up every Machop they benched and killed it before they could Candy it. That is another issue. That is why straight Donphan is better, more constant, and you don't waste your time focusing on something you will never get out. Even if you do get Machamp out, most things in the format can one to two shot it anyways. Think of it this way, Magnezone needs more energy to one shot Donphan than it need for a Machamp Prime.
Riskbreakers said:
Thank you. DonChamp isn't good because of consistency issues, not because certain deck have good type advantages. The one DonChamp I played at Nats, I just Reversaled up every Machop they benched and killed it before they could Candy it. That is another issue. That is why straight Donphan is better, more constant, and you don't waste your time focusing on something you will never get out. Even if you do get Machamp out, most things in the format can one to two shot it anyways. Think of it this way, Magnezone needs more energy to one shot Donphan than it need for a Machamp Prime.
RE: Tier List
My Magneboar killed a ton of Donchamps that way. Judging them then killing off their attacker. XD
Donphan-Dragons needs to be Tier 2 or 1.5 as well. It counters Yanmega nicely and doesn't lose to donks because it doesn't need babies. Not to mention there were at least ten of these that made it to Top 128 so it had a pretty good showing. It's only going to get better when Kyurem is realeased to sort of counter the Reshiram weakness it has.
My Magneboar killed a ton of Donchamps that way. Judging them then killing off their attacker. XD
Donphan-Dragons needs to be Tier 2 or 1.5 as well. It counters Yanmega nicely and doesn't lose to donks because it doesn't need babies. Not to mention there were at least ten of these that made it to Top 128 so it had a pretty good showing. It's only going to get better when Kyurem is realeased to sort of counter the Reshiram weakness it has.
RE: Tier List
Steelix isn't rogue, as it's still recognized and tested against (somewhat), so it's just more like a deck that's good in its own right, but sucks because of the top-tier meta decks.
Steelix isn't rogue, as it's still recognized and tested against (somewhat), so it's just more like a deck that's good in its own right, but sucks because of the top-tier meta decks.
RE: Tier List
Tier 1:
Tyram
MegaJudge
KYJ
Stage 1s
DD
ZPS
Other Yanmega varients
Tier 2:
Magboar
DonChamp (possibly T3)
MewGar
Reshiboar (I'd say tier 1.5)
Blastzel
Cinccino stuff
Tier 3:
Blastigatr
Steelix (possibly, sorta rogue)
LostGar (no Mew
Jumpluff stuff
Tier 1:
Tyram
MegaJudge
KYJ
Stage 1s
DD
ZPS
Other Yanmega varients
Tier 2:
Magboar
DonChamp (possibly T3)
MewGar
Reshiboar (I'd say tier 1.5)
Blastzel
Cinccino stuff
Tier 3:
Blastigatr
Steelix (possibly, sorta rogue)
LostGar (no Mew
Jumpluff stuff
RE: Tier List
I'd like to point out that "Other Yanmega variants" includes about half the metagame.
I'd like to point out that "Other Yanmega variants" includes about half the metagame.