Finished Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Members win!
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RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Sure, why not.
1. I don't think Reinforce is town. A townie would have no reason to muddy the waters and try to find and excuse to lie. I didn't understand the reasons against CP, but there was some reasoning there, which combined with Reinforce's actions make me think he is an indie at best, or scum. This is why I am voting him.
2. I'm on the fence about KoN. I don't think he's the SK, but his role/claim still make me go :X He could be an inno with an awkward role, or he could be scum trying to to dig himself out of a grave.
I do think at least one of them is scum, based on the division in voting the previous day.
Also, if I haven't mentioned yet, I wanted to apologize for my lack of activity the past few days. Unfortunately, it will likely continue for another few days. I've been very ill and spending a lot of time resting and otherwise not on the computer.
Teal said:
Sure, why not.
1. I don't think Reinforce is town. A townie would have no reason to muddy the waters and try to find and excuse to lie. I didn't understand the reasons against CP, but there was some reasoning there, which combined with Reinforce's actions make me think he is an indie at best, or scum. This is why I am voting him.
2. I'm on the fence about KoN. I don't think he's the SK, but his role/claim still make me go :X He could be an inno with an awkward role, or he could be scum trying to to dig himself out of a grave.
I do think at least one of them is scum, based on the division in voting the previous day.
Also, if I haven't mentioned yet, I wanted to apologize for my lack of activity the past few days. Unfortunately, it will likely continue for another few days. I've been very ill and spending a lot of time resting and otherwise not on the computer.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Wait when did he claimed..?
Athena said:
Wait when did he claimed..?
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Might have been the pages that i read during the midnight..
Might have been the pages that i read during the midnight..
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
I though main topic was do we trust keeper enough not to lynch him.. I don't recall about him claiming unless it's on the earlier post of Day 2 that i might have forgotten
Athena said:
I though main topic was do we trust keeper enough not to lynch him.. I don't recall about him claiming unless it's on the earlier post of Day 2 that i might have forgotten
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Sorry for triple posting.. Now I remembered . The claimed that he has probability to be alerted when someone target him during the night.
Come to think back about it. It doesn't sound much like a townie role.. it might be a mafia role in order to catch seers
So I'm pretty sure based on that i don't trust KoN as town anymore
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Sorry for triple posting.. Now I remembered . The claimed that he has probability to be alerted when someone target him during the night.
Come to think back about it. It doesn't sound much like a townie role.. it might be a mafia role in order to catch seers
So I'm pretty sure based on that i don't trust KoN as town anymore
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RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Actually, self-watchers are extremely townlike, and the two biggest mafia websites consider (self)watchers to be mostly town/village. Not to mention that with a self-watcher, it can be used to find townies, since mafia usually have evil roles, such as blackmailing and framing. If you know that nothing evil happened to you, and say 3 people visited you, then those people could be considered town.
Although, in fear of getting those people dead, KoN isn't helping. I can understand the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it.
Oh, and Teal, make sure to answer your own questions. Wouldn't want everyone to be everyone but you.
1) I believe Cobalt was either a wolf, or an unhelpful town. I didn't consider him independent or serial killer in the slighest. I've explained why I believe Cobalt to be wolf, then Reinforce.
Cobalt has a very... let's just say, shitty role to go along with his silence of opinions he showed towards the beginning of the game. Cobalt didn't really help, share his opinions or do anything helpful, even though his entire role meant he HAD to be helpful. It meant, that if he was to die, he had an extra day to live and share all of his opinions before the inevitable death. But, considering he didn't do anything while he was safe, I didn't believe he would do anything while about to die.
This is why I believe that Cobalt's role is a safeclaim. Because it's useless, and has nothing to prove. There is no ability, like Keeper's claim (which is being called a safeclaim by some, Scorched etc), so he doesn't have to take the risk of making up information, and hoping no one counterclaims against his information.
So, even if his role is real, he's useless anyway based on his actions.\
-- I think Reinforce is wolf/independent, because of his own actions. Mainly because there was a very simple solution on how to go about his first post:
Claim the same role Cobalt did. That's out of the way, and no one can say that you're avoiding the topic.
Then, post all of his opinions on what has happened. Don't have any yet, or haven't read the thread? Make a post saying you're reading the thread. We aren't COMPLETE assholes. We'll give you time to make a serious real post.
Proceed to ask, or be asked questions about what has happened in detail.
Instead of 'Do you guys believe me?'. This whole thing, in my opinion, seems to be a stunt to gather information on who wants who dead. Of course, votes tell that, but getting an opinion from both bandwagoners (who don't give opinions while voting, and instead give opinions otherwise), and players who share their opinions can give the wolves the information they need to tell who is defending who.
Especially with a porygon alignment in the game, which could possibly be cultlike (although, I don't think that'll happen again in Pokebeach).
Simply, I want Reinforce dead. 30% his own actions, 70% Cobalt's. Sorry mate, but you subbed into a person who was scummy, and eventually, just didn't want to defend himself in ALL of his posts anymore.
GM DracLord said:
Actually, self-watchers are extremely townlike, and the two biggest mafia websites consider (self)watchers to be mostly town/village. Not to mention that with a self-watcher, it can be used to find townies, since mafia usually have evil roles, such as blackmailing and framing. If you know that nothing evil happened to you, and say 3 people visited you, then those people could be considered town.
Although, in fear of getting those people dead, KoN isn't helping. I can understand the reasoning behind this, but I don't like it.
Oh, and Teal, make sure to answer your own questions. Wouldn't want everyone to be everyone but you.
1) I believe Cobalt was either a wolf, or an unhelpful town. I didn't consider him independent or serial killer in the slighest. I've explained why I believe Cobalt to be wolf, then Reinforce.
Cobalt has a very... let's just say, shitty role to go along with his silence of opinions he showed towards the beginning of the game. Cobalt didn't really help, share his opinions or do anything helpful, even though his entire role meant he HAD to be helpful. It meant, that if he was to die, he had an extra day to live and share all of his opinions before the inevitable death. But, considering he didn't do anything while he was safe, I didn't believe he would do anything while about to die.
This is why I believe that Cobalt's role is a safeclaim. Because it's useless, and has nothing to prove. There is no ability, like Keeper's claim (which is being called a safeclaim by some, Scorched etc), so he doesn't have to take the risk of making up information, and hoping no one counterclaims against his information.
So, even if his role is real, he's useless anyway based on his actions.\
-- I think Reinforce is wolf/independent, because of his own actions. Mainly because there was a very simple solution on how to go about his first post:
Claim the same role Cobalt did. That's out of the way, and no one can say that you're avoiding the topic.
Then, post all of his opinions on what has happened. Don't have any yet, or haven't read the thread? Make a post saying you're reading the thread. We aren't COMPLETE assholes. We'll give you time to make a serious real post.
Proceed to ask, or be asked questions about what has happened in detail.
Instead of 'Do you guys believe me?'. This whole thing, in my opinion, seems to be a stunt to gather information on who wants who dead. Of course, votes tell that, but getting an opinion from both bandwagoners (who don't give opinions while voting, and instead give opinions otherwise), and players who share their opinions can give the wolves the information they need to tell who is defending who.
Especially with a porygon alignment in the game, which could possibly be cultlike (although, I don't think that'll happen again in Pokebeach).
Simply, I want Reinforce dead. 30% his own actions, 70% Cobalt's. Sorry mate, but you subbed into a person who was scummy, and eventually, just didn't want to defend himself in ALL of his posts anymore.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Oh, sorry for the double post, but
2) I don't believe Keeper is the serial killer. Because I don't believe Drohn.
Oh, sorry for the double post, but
2) I don't believe Keeper is the serial killer. Because I don't believe Drohn.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
I been reading the watcher role.
Anyway KoN since you don't want to reveal the name for safety issue.. can i atleast know did any person targetted you for 2 night in a row.
WanderingWolf said:
I been reading the watcher role.
Anyway KoN since you don't want to reveal the name for safety issue.. can i atleast know did any person targetted you for 2 night in a row.
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Whatever happen I'm pretty sure i wouldn't be lasting long if let say KoN is a mafia for some reason. I hope i'm wrong about you KoN .
Whatever happen I'm pretty sure i wouldn't be lasting long if let say KoN is a mafia for some reason. I hope i'm wrong about you KoN .
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
1. I think Reinforce is scum, or at the very least a member of Porygon-X faction. His "do you believe this role" post gave me a vibe of, "is this lie believable, or should I make a new one up?"
2. I'm beginning to feel less and less that KoN is the SK, but I am having a hard time putting him into town. He is far too wishy-washy with his ability and isn't always forthcoming with the information he has received via his ability (assuming he actually has the ability at all).
Right now, I think that the best lynch for the day is to take out Reinforce, with that said.
##unplay Keeper of Night
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Teal said:
1. I think Reinforce is scum, or at the very least a member of Porygon-X faction. His "do you believe this role" post gave me a vibe of, "is this lie believable, or should I make a new one up?"
2. I'm beginning to feel less and less that KoN is the SK, but I am having a hard time putting him into town. He is far too wishy-washy with his ability and isn't always forthcoming with the information he has received via his ability (assuming he actually has the ability at all).
Right now, I think that the best lynch for the day is to take out Reinforce, with that said.
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RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
**I think someone will probably kill me off tonight after my sudden change in post.. If i die.. i'm sure KoN is behind it
**I think someone will probably kill me off tonight after my sudden change in post.. If i die.. i'm sure KoN is behind it
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Like TheGuy yesterday, that's not something town should be asking at this point.
My ability probably wont prove useful at all until one of the names I have is put on the chopping block. Then knowing they have a role will only help them at that point.
Alright Wander. So you rather me reveal the names I have of people that are probably town with power roles?
Like TheGuy yesterday, that's not something town should be asking at this point.
My ability probably wont prove useful at all until one of the names I have is put on the chopping block. Then knowing they have a role will only help them at that point.
As far as I know, no. Two people targeted me N1, and a different person targeted me last night.GM DracLord said:
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Sigh... This is really difficult to put in words. Majority of my thoughts consolidated in this post because I need to be back at work afterwards.
Are you all really convinced that the role Cobalt revealed was fake?
Or does the possibility that Cobalt was reckless enough to post his/my true role not occur to any of you? Is it too impossible or ridiculous that "he must be lying and have an ulterior motive it must be a fake claim there's no other explanation and there's no way it could be the truth!!! "?
The bolded part is actually what happened. No matter how impossible or ridiculous it may seem. Yes, I am seriously, honestly claiming this.
But why didn't I/couldn't I just say this in my first post? Why couldn't I claim that the role Cobalt posted was truly his/my role? My reason was this:
The circumstance in which Cobalt revealed the role (out of the blue, without anyone requesting) cast doubt on the revealed role even though it was the truth. Now, if you guys had asked me to role reveal... because I want to be honest and transparent with you all, I willingly post the truth --- which happens to be the exact same thing he posted. Considering your opinions on him are negative... It wouldn't have been pretty.
This is why, in my first post, I asked... Or to be more precise, gauged what you thought of the role itself. As these responses showed:
Judging from the responses I got, majority of you were already firmly convinced the role was fake because of how Cobalt presented it and there was no chance it was the truth. Because you believe Cobalt's reveal was a fake, then the only way I could be telling the truth is by posting a "true, different role" than the one he posted. But if I am to be honest with all of you, I can't do that... because Cobalt already posted the true role. And I insist on that.
Even if you demand me to tell the truth, as long as you guys cannot ever believe that the posted role was actually the truth, then I will never appear to be telling the truth to you even if I currently am. Because I will continue to insist that the posted role is the truth because I know it is, but then you guys won't believe it because you think it's too suspicious due to how Cobalt Phoenix revealed it and that it's hard to believe Cobalt could actually have been THAT reckless to post his/my true role out in the open just like that.
Kecleon-X and Porygon-X, this is why I thought no one would believe me if I straight-up claimed Cobalt's role reveal was true on my first post. Depending on how people react to this post of mine, perhaps it will be proven that you guys are correct and that I expected and predicted wrong.
That is all.
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You must have been focusing only on my post and not the previous ones before it because a couple of posts before that post of mine there was clearly this:
I was replying to Machamp the Champion. He asked my opinion about the game, I gave. Nice attempt taking my post out of context to make it look like I was attempting distraction and putting me in a bad spotlight though.
And to my readings, counter-claimers have it harder proving themselves. Claiming first is a show of confidence --- confident that you can't be proven wrong, and therefore there is a high chance you're telling the truth. Should no solid evidence surface, you're more inclined to be believable. And if you happen to be a lying wolf in that scenario, that's a bad thing.
Exhibit A is above you.
After I made that post, seen anyone else address it or discuss along with me? Had sillykyle not brought it up, we could have reached the end of the day and that post would have been left forgotten. And I guess sillykyle only brought it up because I mentioned him.
But don't worry, I had a feeling this would happen.
Sigh... This is really difficult to put in words. Majority of my thoughts consolidated in this post because I need to be back at work afterwards.
Are you all really convinced that the role Cobalt revealed was fake?
Or does the possibility that Cobalt was reckless enough to post his/my true role not occur to any of you? Is it too impossible or ridiculous that "he must be lying and have an ulterior motive it must be a fake claim there's no other explanation and there's no way it could be the truth!!! "?
The bolded part is actually what happened. No matter how impossible or ridiculous it may seem. Yes, I am seriously, honestly claiming this.
But why didn't I/couldn't I just say this in my first post? Why couldn't I claim that the role Cobalt posted was truly his/my role? My reason was this:
The circumstance in which Cobalt revealed the role (out of the blue, without anyone requesting) cast doubt on the revealed role even though it was the truth. Now, if you guys had asked me to role reveal... because I want to be honest and transparent with you all, I willingly post the truth --- which happens to be the exact same thing he posted. Considering your opinions on him are negative... It wouldn't have been pretty.
This is why, in my first post, I asked... Or to be more precise, gauged what you thought of the role itself. As these responses showed:
Keeper of Night said:
GM Draclord said:
WanderingWolf said:
Judging from the responses I got, majority of you were already firmly convinced the role was fake because of how Cobalt presented it and there was no chance it was the truth. Because you believe Cobalt's reveal was a fake, then the only way I could be telling the truth is by posting a "true, different role" than the one he posted. But if I am to be honest with all of you, I can't do that... because Cobalt already posted the true role. And I insist on that.
Even if you demand me to tell the truth, as long as you guys cannot ever believe that the posted role was actually the truth, then I will never appear to be telling the truth to you even if I currently am. Because I will continue to insist that the posted role is the truth because I know it is, but then you guys won't believe it because you think it's too suspicious due to how Cobalt Phoenix revealed it and that it's hard to believe Cobalt could actually have been THAT reckless to post his/my true role out in the open just like that.
Kecleon-X and Porygon-X, this is why I thought no one would believe me if I straight-up claimed Cobalt's role reveal was true on my first post. Depending on how people react to this post of mine, perhaps it will be proven that you guys are correct and that I expected and predicted wrong.
That is all.
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sillykyle said:
You must have been focusing only on my post and not the previous ones before it because a couple of posts before that post of mine there was clearly this:
Machamp the Champion said:
I was replying to Machamp the Champion. He asked my opinion about the game, I gave. Nice attempt taking my post out of context to make it look like I was attempting distraction and putting me in a bad spotlight though.
And to my readings, counter-claimers have it harder proving themselves. Claiming first is a show of confidence --- confident that you can't be proven wrong, and therefore there is a high chance you're telling the truth. Should no solid evidence surface, you're more inclined to be believable. And if you happen to be a lying wolf in that scenario, that's a bad thing.
WanderingWolf said:
Exhibit A is above you.
After I made that post, seen anyone else address it or discuss along with me? Had sillykyle not brought it up, we could have reached the end of the day and that post would have been left forgotten. And I guess sillykyle only brought it up because I mentioned him.
But don't worry, I had a feeling this would happen.
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RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
As I keep repeating, what was your plan if we didn't believe it? And if you insist on being honest, why the heck did you ask us if we believed it or not in the first place?
Reinforce said:
As I keep repeating, what was your plan if we didn't believe it? And if you insist on being honest, why the heck did you ask us if we believed it or not in the first place?
RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
Could you please refrain from further voting for the two major options today, especially Reinforce who has a lot of votes on him? The day is still young and I'm sure no townie would like this day to end immature. There is still a lot of information to be gathered today. We are apporaching a lynch already.
To voice your opinion, feel free to say that you want to vote for Reinforce/KoN, but please no more actual votes at this point.
Vote count please?
Unfortunately I'm really busy with university work today, so I can't say much more atm. I shouldn't even be writing this. v_v
Could you please refrain from further voting for the two major options today, especially Reinforce who has a lot of votes on him? The day is still young and I'm sure no townie would like this day to end immature. There is still a lot of information to be gathered today. We are apporaching a lynch already.
To voice your opinion, feel free to say that you want to vote for Reinforce/KoN, but please no more actual votes at this point.
Vote count please?
Unfortunately I'm really busy with university work today, so I can't say much more atm. I shouldn't even be writing this. v_v
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RE: Werewolf XXI: The Members' Revolt. Day 3 ends May 29 at 11 AM CDT.
L-4 Reinforce: 6 (Keeper of Night, WanderingWolf, Cinesra, Athena, Porygon-X, Jeremy1026)
Porygon-X: 0 (WanderingWolf)
Kecleon-X: 1 (Celever)
Jeremy1026: 1 (Machamp the Champion)
Keeper of Night: 1 (GM DracLord)
Not voting: 10 (TheGuy, Haunted Water, Teal, Scorched Feathers, alex, sillykyle, Reinforoce, rev3rsor, SMP, Kecleon-X)
L-4 Reinforce: 6 (Keeper of Night, WanderingWolf, Cinesra, Athena, Porygon-X, Jeremy1026)
Porygon-X: 0 (
Kecleon-X: 1 (Celever)
Jeremy1026: 1 (Machamp the Champion)
Keeper of Night: 1 (GM DracLord)
Not voting: 10 (TheGuy, Haunted Water, Teal, Scorched Feathers, alex, sillykyle, Reinforoce, rev3rsor, SMP, Kecleon-X)
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