What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

[KAM-E_KAZE]

Ive played both Banette and Eggs. Im gonna ahve to go towards Banette though(good version) IF Banette and Chu had god hands, Banette's speed and consistency early game overwhelm Chu. The only way to beat Banette for sure is to start with a Pikachu or Eggy to immediately be able to KO everything, because while Castform is stalling more and more Banettes(and whatever else is in the deck) somes out to play. Sometimes KOing a staller isnt wise, thats why we take advantage of Shady move and warp points.





One more question is to the maker of this thread:

WTH is Eveelution on your number 2 spot??!!! That deck died with the rotation of Surprise Time Machine and Pidgeot. Its gone like the wind. My predictions:


1. Mewtric-admin and swoops are gone, but with its early game dominance it can outspeed anything(besides bannette)
2. Banette ex-its just so fast, and with holon engine or TVR its a beast.
3. Ty-ability-its one of those surprise decks to me, i saw 0 people playing it at worlds, and with the ex heavy decks(catty, swampert, MMS, Mewtric etc) its the perfect time to bring it out.
4. Crobat d/Raichu d with Cessation-this deck has basically no auto loss. Its ability to shut off powers/bodies and trainers will rule all as long as it stays consistent.
5. Swamp/Catty-a little slow, but when its ready it can sweep the boards with Gia.


Honorable Mentions:

Shiftry ex-its stackable body is nice, but something about it i dont like.
Medicham ex-when the next set comes out he'll have a few cities.
MMS-toooo slow, but if you can make it work(perhaps with Nidoqueen d) then it could be decent.
Catty ex/Entei*-this deck is bursting out in my area like wild fire, discard crazily with Entei and bring it back with Catty. It actually does work, as odd as it seems.

 

[ShadowX]

I just listed them in no particular order so I do not think that eevolutuion will be the second best.

 

[(TYranitarFReak)]

well, i think medicham deck is starting to suk ( no pow, no swoop, what can i say?)

banette *might* be good for a while...

something would juz rise and counter it, time will tell

 

[Arcanine 274]

i don't get why this thread has lasted so long. how is ANYBODY supposed to know what decks are going to be good in the upcoming format when NOBODY has even had a modified tournament that counts such as Cities or something? Nobody knows how well any decks are going to do, since there's only about 4 archetypes left, which have been hit severely several of them. So come on, nobody knows what decks are good since nobody has played in any COMPETITIVE tournament that counts this season by my watch, but are soon going too in certain spots of the US and certain spots in the International league.

Wait to find out what happens in those tournaments, what places where, if there's any new rogue archetype dealie, how the old ones do, and such. Then we'll revive the thread, since it's under 2 weeks away.

Arcanine out.

 

[Tyler McCutchan]

RE:    What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

Yes, its incredibley consistant and, even though it looks like it can't for a lot, late game (when it matters the most), it performs the best.

You've NEVER played Eggs?And your sitting here telling me its better than Bannette?You dont know the TERRIBLE draws eggs has then.The second Castform dies(WHich with this deck WILL be turn 2) YOu cant draw to save your live!BTW, your sitting here telling me all this stuff...Did you know, that after I kill you Castform turn2, you have ALL basics?Even if all you do is sac stuff and then one hit me, I've been powering up my Bannette's as well.PLUS, I'll be shady moving(unless you do have CC out) any Damage on to it.Eiter way, I STILL one hit it after you kill my bannette.Do me a favor, build this deck, and effin TEST IT!Test it against eggs, I dont care...Till tehn STFU!

Okay, first off, yes, I have never played eggs...that doesn't mean I don't know how it works nor not haven't seen it in action. Okay, please explain how it gets terrible draws? You don't always start with casty, yes, but just as often, you won't start with shuppet (unless thats your only basic, but then we'd both know it wouldn't work). Again, 1/2 the time, you won't be able to ko the casty, so don't go "oh, t2 its dead" because 1/2 the time, you only do 40 damage. Did you know that t2 I can evo into chu and scramble for the game??? No? Well, I can. I love how you say you're powering up multiple bannettes while I don't have any chus out (since, I have far more outs then you to get multiple ones out). Unless I can do an efficent zapp, I wouldn't. Who says I won't attach an energy root to casty t1, just to piss you off??? Theres alot of plays that makes chu live. Maybe I'm busy testing GOOD decks to have time to play this matchup...because, frankly, I don't care what you say. I'll talk all I want, so stop being all-knowing and grow up.

How am I NOT going to be able to do 50 turn 2?ITS 30+10 FOR EVERY SUPPORTER IN THE DISCARD...I play ONE supporter...Turn 2 50...WHy?I discard a supporter for the Holon Effect...I'll have atleast one turn 2 unlesss i have some GOD awful start...Such as Shuppet and 6 Energys....If you Chu, Scramble for game, ok you win, thats ONE game.You cant CONSISTANLY get that 6+ times outta 10.You wont even get that 5 time outta 100...Good Luck if thats your only strat to win this matchup....

[/quote=Papi/Manny]I don't care what you say. I'll talk all I want, so stop being all-knowing and grow up.[/quote]

What a dumb statement...You contradict your self...Saying that you'll talk all you want so I need to grow up..I could say that exact same stuff to you, read your posts.Your acting like you BUILT Ria/Eggs...You didnt...But I DID help build(The Good Version) Bannette/Houndom w/ Jordan(Whicker) so, take your own advice, grow up, cause all I'm doing is Debating, you only say that cause your losing.

 

[ShadowX]

I just played a Bannete ex deck at my league and I have 3 words to say. I underestimated it. It creamed my deck early on in the game. I had 6 prizes left and he had 2 by 8 minutes into the game. I did win but only because I was able to use flareon ex's pokepower on both of their banette's and then ariados finished the other pokemon off. That deck is good It might very well win a few states and cities.

 

[Papi/Manny]

RE:     What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

Yes, its incredibley consistant and, even though it looks like it can't for a lot, late game (when it matters the most), it performs the best.

You've NEVER played Eggs?And your sitting here telling me its better than Bannette?You dont know the TERRIBLE draws eggs has then.The second Castform dies(WHich with this deck WILL be turn 2) YOu cant draw to save your live!BTW, your sitting here telling me all this stuff...Did you know, that after I kill you Castform turn2, you have ALL basics?Even if all you do is sac stuff and then one hit me, I've been powering up my Bannette's as well.PLUS, I'll be shady moving(unless you do have CC out) any Damage on to it.Eiter way, I STILL one hit it after you kill my bannette.Do me a favor, build this deck, and effin TEST IT!Test it against eggs, I dont care...Till tehn STFU!

Okay, first off, yes, I have never played eggs...that doesn't mean I don't know how it works nor not haven't seen it in action. Okay, please explain how it gets terrible draws? You don't always start with casty, yes, but just as often, you won't start with shuppet (unless thats your only basic, but then we'd both know it wouldn't work). Again, 1/2 the time, you won't be able to ko the casty, so don't go "oh, t2 its dead" because 1/2 the time, you only do 40 damage. Did you know that t2 I can evo into chu and scramble for the game??? No? Well, I can. I love how you say you're powering up multiple bannettes while I don't have any chus out (since, I have far more outs then you to get multiple ones out). Unless I can do an efficent zapp, I wouldn't. Who says I won't attach an energy root to casty t1, just to piss you off??? Theres alot of plays that makes chu live. Maybe I'm busy testing GOOD decks to have time to play this matchup...because, frankly, I don't care what you say. I'll talk all I want, so stop being all-knowing and grow up.

How am I NOT going to be able to do 50 turn 2?ITS 30+10 FOR EVERY SUPPORTER IN THE DISCARD...I play ONE supporter...Turn 2 50...WHy?I discard a supporter for the Holon Effect...I'll have atleast one turn 2 unlesss i have some GOD awful start...Such as Shuppet and 6 Energys....If you Chu, Scramble for game, ok you win, thats ONE game.You cant CONSISTANLY get that 6+ times outta 10.You wont even get that 5 time outta 100...Good Luck if thats your only strat to win this matchup....

[/quote=Papi/Manny]I don't care what you say. I'll talk all I want, so stop being all-knowing and grow up.

What a dumb statement...You contradict your self...Saying that you'll talk all you want so I need to grow up..I could say that exact same stuff to you, read your posts.Your acting like you BUILT Ria/Eggs...You didnt...But I DID help build(The Good Version) Bannette/Houndom w/ Jordan(Whicker) so, take your own advice, grow up, cause all I'm doing is Debating, you only say that cause your losing.


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Okay, first off, I really don't need this...I just got of an argueement on the guy with some guy about Dual Ball vs. Great Ball, in which we completely took over the thread and forced it to be locked. I don't want that to happen again, so how about we call a cease fire right now? I will, however, analize your post. First off, again, how will you have 2 supporters in the discard t2?? If you go second, I see it. But first, you don't. Thats what I've been saying for the past 2+ posts. Okay, I agree that chu+scramble won't happen every game, but neither will you getting a favorable matchup. How am I acting like I built rai-eggs?? I even said I've never played it. I'm just saying how it works out from testing against it. How can you prove that you are the only one who built a good bannette/doom deck??? You can't. Maybe you're misreading or something, because all I've done is debate, but you've become all defensive about bannette ex, which isn't even the point of this topic. Conclusion? ITS SIDETRACKING FROM WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

i don't get why this thread has lasted so long. how is ANYBODY supposed to know what decks are going to be good in the upcoming format when NOBODY has even had a modified tournament that counts such as Cities or something? Nobody knows how well any decks are going to do, since there's only about 4 archetypes left, which have been hit severely several of them. So come on, nobody knows what decks are good since nobody has played in any COMPETITIVE tournament that counts this season by my watch, but are soon going too in certain spots of the US and certain spots in the International league.

Wait to find out what happens in those tournaments, what places where, if there's any new rogue archetype dealie, how the old ones do, and such. Then we'll revive the thread, since it's under 2 weeks away.

Arcanine out.

I agree and disagree. I agree that this thread is kinda pointless, since its all really based on last season. But I disagree that theres no way to justify that a deck will be good. All you need is a brain and a good friend, and maybe 3000 cards to make proxys out of. I think that some of the deck ideas that were tossed because of LBS last year that survive the rotation may see a new surge.

 

[ShadowX]

Well the first cities will be coming up soon so then we will be able to tell what might be good in this format.

 

[Dynasty]

I don't know about you guys but I actually TEST. So i'm not just going off assumptions and there is some point as to what is said.

Papi/Manny brings up a lot of great points with his posting. It's a lot easier than you think to get a Raichu/Scramble response. You run 4 Transcievers, 2 Researchers, 4 Raichus, 4 Scrambles, got off a Delta Draw for a couple and have a 7 card hand. I'd call that PRETTY good, 7-8 times/10, maybe even more I'd EXPECT someone to have it ready.

It's nice that you don't even take into account that Banette ex needs to be up T2 to accomplish this T2KO I win fantasy you seem to have. You have to start with Shuppet, have 2 energy, a Banette ex and a means to KO Castform or w/e Eggs starter is by Turn 2. Eggs doesn't care what it starts with, it's still going to have pretty damn good odds of pulling the Raichu/Scramble in response with the amazing outs it has available.

You helped Whicker make the deck, well ok. Considering it wasn't even made here first, what a great accomplishment. In addition to that, your list isn't the best that's going around, that's for sure.

 

[(TYranitarFReak)]

i don't get why this thread has lasted so long. how is ANYBODY supposed to know what decks are going to be good in the upcoming format when NOBODY has even had a modified tournament that counts such as Cities or something? Nobody knows how well any decks are going to do, since there's only about 4 archetypes left, which have been hit severely several of them. So come on, nobody knows what decks are good since nobody has played in any COMPETITIVE tournament that counts this season by my watch, but are soon going too in certain spots of the US and certain spots in the International league.

Wait to find out what happens in those tournaments, what places where, if there's any new rogue archetype dealie, how the old ones do, and such. Then we'll revive the thread, since it's under 2 weeks away.

Arcanine out.

well, humans are always curious abt things that are " going to happen", does that solve ur questions?

 

[ShadowX]

At my league we just had a tourny for fun and A shiftry ex espeon ex jolteon ex won they called it shiftreon It went 4-1. I beat it with my flariados since shiftry's weakness is grass I just layed down a flareon ex I took 60 damage because they had 3 out but then I knocked out the active and super scooped up flareon ex and kept doing that the deck was good but not good enough for me. The deck that came in second was a banette ex deck with delcatty. I came in third with flariados I lost to the stupid banette ex deck because I drew into this hand. Eevee,eevee,eevee,2 BF 1 SSU and 1 full flame. Then I had energy drought for 4 turns.

 

[Typhlosion ex fans]

RE:  What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

At my league we just had a tourny for fun and A shiftry ex espeon ex jolteon ex won they called it shiftreon It went 4-1. I beat it with my flariados since shiftry's weakness is grass I just layed down a flareon ex I took 60 damage because they had 3 out but then I knocked out the active and super scooped up flareon ex and kept doing that the deck was good but not good enough for me. The deck that came in second was a banette ex deck with delcatty. I came in third with flariados I lost to the stupid banette ex deck because I drew into this hand. Eevee,eevee,eevee,2 BF 1 SSU and 1 full flame. Then I had energy drought for 4 turns.

Well, I think flariados is 1 of the best deck in 06-07 season.

 

[Tyler McCutchan]

RE:      What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

Okay, first off, I really don't need this...I just got of an argueement on the guy with some guy about Dual Ball vs. Great Ball, in which we completely took over the thread and forced it to be locked. I don't want that to happen again, so how about we call a cease fire right now? I will, however, analize your post. First off, again, how will you have 2 supporters in the discard t2?? If you go second, I see it. But first, you don't. Thats what I've been saying for the past 2+ posts. Okay, I agree that chu+scramble won't happen every game, but neither will you getting a favorable matchup. How am I acting like I built rai-eggs?? I even said I've never played it. I'm just saying how it works out from testing against it. How can you prove that you are the only one who built a good bannette/doom deck??? You can't. Maybe you're misreading or something, because all I've done is debate, but you've become all defensive about bannette ex, which isn't even the point of this topic. Conclusion? ITS SIDETRACKING FROM WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

First, I'm sorry if I got off mean or w/e...I wasnt getting Defensive or w/e, I was backing my opinion, which after all, is all that it is..Second, Even if I got first, having 2 supporter in the discard pile isnt hard.I play the Holon Engine, so I discard a card for a Holon Supporter...which would be a supporter..(There is also TVR)
Third, when I said the good version, I ment the good version that people talk about one Gym/Beach, no one else(That i've seen) posted a Ban/Doom list that was good(Whicker posted ours)
Fourth, I'm not sidetracking, the topic is about the Archetypes for next season, I'm debating on why Bandoom will be one next year.

 

[Arcanine 274]

RE:  What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

It's nice that you don't even take into account that Banette ex needs to be up T2 to accomplish this T2KO I win fantasy you seem to have.  You have to start with Shuppet, have 2 energy, a Banette ex and a means to KO Castform or w/e Eggs starter is by Turn 2.  Eggs doesn't care what it starts with, it's still going to have pretty damn good odds of pulling the Raichu/Scramble in response with the amazing outs it has available.

lol you don't need Bannette. Shuppet CG has Ascension.

Arcanine out.

 

[ShadowX]

Well I was thinking do you think that flariados will be good? I am sure hoping so.

 

[Papi/Manny]

RE:       What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

Okay, first off, I really don't need this...I just got of an argueement on the guy with some guy about Dual Ball vs. Great Ball, in which we completely took over the thread and forced it to be locked. I don't want that to happen again, so how about we call a cease fire right now? I will, however, analize your post. First off, again, how will you have 2 supporters in the discard t2?? If you go second, I see it. But first, you don't. Thats what I've been saying for the past 2+ posts. Okay, I agree that chu+scramble won't happen every game, but neither will you getting a favorable matchup. How am I acting like I built rai-eggs?? I even said I've never played it. I'm just saying how it works out from testing against it. How can you prove that you are the only one who built a good bannette/doom deck??? You can't. Maybe you're misreading or something, because all I've done is debate, but you've become all defensive about bannette ex, which isn't even the point of this topic. Conclusion? ITS SIDETRACKING FROM WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

First, I'm sorry if I got off mean or w/e...I wasnt getting Defensive or w/e, I was backing my opinion, which after all, is all that it is..Second, Even if I got first, having 2 supporter in the discard pile isnt hard.I play the Holon Engine, so I discard a card for a Holon Supporter...which would be a supporter..(There is also TVR)
Third, when I said the good version, I ment the good version that people talk about one Gym/Beach, no one else(That i've seen) posted a Ban/Doom list that was good(Whicker posted ours)
Fourth, I'm not sidetracking, the topic is about the Archetypes for next season, I'm debating on why Bandoom will be one next year.

I think that if you can't back your opinion, your just a pushover and you'll fail in life...so, GJ in not failing in life. lol. How do you get 2 supporters in the discard t2 if you go 1st? As far as I know, theres no way to discard 2 supporters in 1 turn (and since you have to count the supporters in the discard (and not in play) I don't see how you can do 50, unless your counting the power too). I can't say about bannette decks, as I haven't really looked at the deck section on the gym in a real long time. Okay, your not...well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Well I was thinking do you think that flariados will be good? I am sure hoping so.

Its really luck-relient, so it can't be depened on to win any perticular game. Its not a dependable deck, and it can easily lose any game

 

[(TYranitarFReak)]

flareados is one of the broken deck made in 06 (or 05?), it is super crazy with the ability to drag poke out, put sooo much spec conditions , and finally atks 70 quite early

 

[Tyler McCutchan]

RE:        What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

I think that if you can't back your opinion, your just a pushover and you'll fail in life...so, GJ in not failing in life. lol. How do you get 2 supporters in the discard t2 if you go 1st? As far as I know, theres no way to discard 2 supporters in 1 turn (and since you have to count the supporters in the discard (and not in play) I don't see how you can do 50, unless your counting the power too). I can't say about bannette decks, as I haven't really looked at the deck section on the gym in a real long time. Okay, your not...well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Oh shizzenits...Didnt honeslty even think about that...mkk, so you win there,,,turn 3 is still REALLY fast...lolz?

 

[ShadowX]

RE:        What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

Okay, first off, I really don't need this...I just got of an argueement on the guy with some guy about Dual Ball vs. Great Ball, in which we completely took over the thread and forced it to be locked. I don't want that to happen again, so how about we call a cease fire right now? I will, however, analize your post. First off, again, how will you have 2 supporters in the discard t2?? If you go second, I see it. But first, you don't. Thats what I've been saying for the past 2+ posts. Okay, I agree that chu+scramble won't happen every game, but neither will you getting a favorable matchup. How am I acting like I built rai-eggs?? I even said I've never played it. I'm just saying how it works out from testing against it. How can you prove that you are the only one who built a good bannette/doom deck??? You can't. Maybe you're misreading or something, because all I've done is debate, but you've become all defensive about bannette ex, which isn't even the point of this topic. Conclusion? ITS SIDETRACKING FROM WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

First, I'm sorry if I got off mean or w/e...I wasnt getting Defensive or w/e, I was backing my opinion, which after all, is all that it is..Second, Even if I got first, having 2 supporter in the discard pile isnt hard.I play the Holon Engine, so I discard a card for a Holon Supporter...which would be a supporter..(There is also TVR)
Third, when I said the good version, I ment the good version that people talk about one Gym/Beach, no one else(That i've seen) posted a Ban/Doom list that was good(Whicker posted ours)
Fourth, I'm not sidetracking, the topic is about the Archetypes for next season, I'm debating on why Bandoom will be one next year.

I think that if you can't back your opinion, your just a pushover and you'll fail in life...so, GJ in not failing in life. lol. How do you get 2 supporters in the discard t2 if you go 1st? As far as I know, theres no way to discard 2 supporters in 1 turn (and since you have to count the supporters in the discard (and not in play) I don't see how you can do 50, unless your counting the power too). I can't say about bannette decks, as I haven't really looked at the deck section on the gym in a real long time. Okay, your not...well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Well I was thinking do you think that flariados will be good? I am sure hoping so.

Its really luck-relient, so it can't be depened on to win any perticular game. Its not a dependable deck, and it can easily lose any game.

It really is not that luck reliant. If you get ariados out and flareon ex you could be doing 70 damage by turn 2 which could outspeed many decks.

 

[Arcanine 274]

RE:         What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

It really is not that luck reliant. If you get ariados out and flareon ex you could be doing 70 damage by turn 2 which could outspeed many decks.

lol. YEAH IT IS. How are you supposed to disrupt your Opponent? How are you retrieving Flareon? So many of those cards are flippy cards that it's a LUCKSACK deck that still takes skill to win with.

Arcanine out.