What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

RE:  What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

Whicker said:
You shot your argument in the foot when you said "if you have the luck."
Do you not understand consistency?

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i think the delcatty can help in T2~T3 ( or T4~T5 if u dunno have the Holon Suporters ) or during all the game cause its discard until you and YOUR ENEMY has only 6 cards in hand.

I think its cannot be so good just with Bannete ex, Bannete, Houndoom and holon Magtrode. Something to Help is always welcome, besides, delcatty ex dont disturb nothing in Deck...

But, if u think without it is better. Pls tell me why =[
 
RE:  What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

Whicker said:
Consistency. That's why Delcatty foils the deck.

So....

The Deck is Just:

4-4-1 Banette ex and Banette
2-2 Houndoom
2- Holon Magtrode

?
 
yeah thats pretty much a big part of the deck

the reason i think Whicker dont want delcatty is bcoz:

* rayquaza * makes it a easy lunch

* u waste time finding another NON-MAIN ATKER pkm

* to reduce the chances of NOT getting shuppet 1st turn
 
Hi! I think that with Crystal Guardians RaichuEggs will be the most popular deck, because the deck not have Poke-Powers/Poke-Bodys so with Cessation Crystal!! the deck will be amazing i think, the rest of all good decks needs to use a Poke-Power/Poke-Body so RaichuEggs is free to plays and defeat all decks, i am not saying that RaichuEggs will win all Cities but he will stay in the first places. Goodbye!!
 
RE:  What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

PokeManiacks said:
Hi! I think that with Crystal Guardians RaichuEggs will be the most popular deck, because the deck not have Poke-Powers/Poke-Bodys so with Cessation Crystal!! the deck will be amazing i think, the rest of all good decks needs to use a Poke-Power/Poke-Body so RaichuEggs is free to plays and defeat all decks, i am not saying that RaichuEggs will win all Cities but he will stay in the first places. Goodbye!!

You couldn't be more wrong. Rai/Eggs is very slow and has very little OHKO abilities. Look at the format again, and tell me that Rai/Eggs is the best deck out there, it simply won't happen.
 
ya, if eggs cant attach cessation crystal by T2 ( battle with mewtric), thats BB ( remember the disconnect of mew?)

exeggutor δ also have a weakness to mew ( also to banette/ ex) , how can it be good?

eggs usually take 2HKO ( assuming that raichu does 2 x metalic thunder, even i know this is pretty rare case)
 
TYranitarFReak said:
ya, if eggs cant attach cessation crystal by T2 ( battle with mewtric), thats BB ( remember the disconnect of mew?)

exeggutor δ also have a weakness to mew ( also to banette/ ex) , how can it be good?

eggs usually take 2HKO ( assuming that raichu does 2 x metalic thunder, even i know this is pretty rare case)

can't mawile's attack get through disconnect
i'd think rai/eggs would have to change their starter to mawile anyways if they want to get out crystal on T1 or T2
 
RE:   What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

higumaotoshi said:
TYranitarFReak said:
ya, if eggs cant attach cessation crystal by T2 ( battle with mewtric), thats BB ( remember the disconnect of mew?)

exeggutor δ also have a weakness to mew ( also to banette/ ex) , how can it be good?

eggs usually take 2HKO ( assuming that raichu does 2 x metalic thunder, even i know this is pretty rare case)

can't mawile's attack get through disconnect
i'd think rai/eggs would have to change their starter to mawile anyways if they want to get out crystal on T1 or T2
Yeah, because drawing 3-5 cards per turn is not even as closely good as getting 1 trainer...;/ Please just stop talking about bannette....its soo easy to beat...sac 2 pokes (even though a big starter wouldn't die) and then get 4 prizes off of 2 bannettes...not that hard of a matchup against a speed 90 hp poke.
 
Have you even played against a Bannette? I'm unsure on why you are so set on even someone's ability to sac 2-3 pokes, especially with Reversals and ER2's constantly giving you options to slow them.
Did you also think Medicham was bad? On paper, it looked like you could basically do the same thing to it, but the deck turned out to work extremely well.
 
Wow, just wow.  Seems like Whicker thinks he's on top of the World here.  Is this seriously the best person you guys have to be explaining the format?  Let's take a look at some of his ridiculous comments on Eggs/Raichu D:

Rai/Eggs of course gained Cessation Crystal, which will be huge, and the deck looks amazing heading into Cities. However, Arcanine and Bannette both outspeed it and have OHKO potential on most things, unlike Rai/Eggs. Also, looking a FEOD, I can definitely say that there will be a Queendom-like deck that will be able to OHKO anything that is sent up by Rai/Eggs, rendering Cessation Crystal next to useless. I see it being popular, but not necessarily good.

Ok, Arcanine and Banette outspeed it.  So, you KO my castform and I send up a Raichu D with a Scramble and take 2 prizes vs your Banette ex.  You're left with ....nothing.  While I'm left with a Raichu with no energy and a full bench full of guys.  I could just do the same thing again, or I can charge up another Raichu with DRE/X Energy, lay a Stone and OHKO you.  If you decide to build up a bench instead of KOing something early, Eggs is just gonna set up multiple Raichus of which you have no answer for.  As for Arcanine, it does 30 T2, big whoop.  I could sac 3 guys just to KO one and still win the game.  Why?  Because I can Split Bomb/Zap your bench in addition to the active.  So, when the first RK9 goes down, your other is already damaged and in Raichu range.  You're nuts.

Overall, I'm still confused on why Rai/Eggs will be so good in this season. Cessastion Crystal doesn't save the deck... it still has TERRIBLE late game draws/dead cards and is very slow for a Stage 1 deck. If you like the idea of a fast hitting deck that has good damage potential... might as well look in the way of Bannette, because Rai/Eggs hasn't got anything on Bannette.

Cessation Crystal doesn't save the deck?  Well obviously, there's nothing to be "saved".  Since when does Eggs have a terrible late game?  That's when it WINS its games!  Slow?  Have you heard of Scramble Energy?!  Doesn't have anything on Banette?  Really?  

You couldn't be more wrong. Rai/Eggs is very slow and has very little OHKO abilities. Look at the format again, and tell me that Rai/Eggs is the best deck out there, it simply won't happen.

Well I'm looking and I think it is the best in the format.  Can you name a deck other than a Scizor ex that has a good matchup with Eggs?  It doesn't need OHKO's buddy, because it SETS UP KO's.

Have you even played against a Bannette? I'm unsure on why you are so set on even someone's ability to sac 2-3 pokes, especially with Reversals and ER2's constantly giving you options to slow them.

Because you're going to automatically hit all your ER2's, Reversals while consistantly putting out 2 Banette exs early.  Which, that is what you HAVE to do vs Eggs or you're just going to get Raichu swarmed to death.  ER2's aren't nearly as big as you think either, considering Raichu D just discards the Scramble.  You don't "slow down" a card that can just lay Scramble and OHKO your Banette (learn to spell).  

I think it's you that needs to take a deep look at Raichu/Eggs.  There were barely any played at Worlds and the people who actually did play them took enormus bad beats.  It wasn't because people "knew how" to play vs it that it didn't top cut.  Now with it gaining Cessation Crystal, the addition of Copycat in FE as means to grab basically any card it wants out of a ton of cards, and a new sick, sick gym, plus the ability to go off vs anything with no admin in the format, not having to worry about its scrambles being admined away, Eggs has become the best deck.  Don't even give me anything about these "new" Nidoqueen things either, please.

P.S. Kelly Clarkson sucks.
 
Banette (learn to spell).

So, Banette has one n, but if you are seriously judging my credibility on the way I spell something that isn't even an English word, then you are easily in the wrong. Not to mention that this comes across as very arrogant, which is, in fact, very hypocritical to your first statement.

Wow, just wow. Seems like Whicker thinks he's on top of the World here. Is this seriously the best person you guys have to be explaining the format? Let's take a look at some of his ridiculous comments on Eggs/Raichu D:
Do I think I'm on top of the world? When exactly did I say that or anything similar? Please quote me. I don't think I've EVER taken charge anywhere on this thread or even on this board. I guess because I happen to explain my thoughts in detail, and try to further my opinion through arguments with other people, I'm automatically viewed as arrogant? I really hope that wasn't what you were basing your opinion off of.

Ok, Arcanine and Banette outspeed it. So, you KO my castform and I send up a Raichu D with a Scramble and take 2 prizes vs your Banette ex. You're left with ....nothing. While I'm left with a Raichu with no energy and a full bench full of guys. I could just do the same thing again, or I can charge up another Raichu with DRE/X Energy, lay a Stone and OHKO you. If you decide to build up a bench instead of KOing something early, Eggs is just gonna set up multiple Raichus of which you have no answer for. As for Arcanine, it does 30 T2, big whoop. I could sac 3 guys just to KO one and still win the game. Why? Because I can Split Bomb/Zap your bench in addition to the active. So, when the first RK9 goes down, your other is already damaged and in Raichu range. You're nuts.
On your first point, have you ever heard of Crystal Beach with a Houndoom? I'd really like to see you Scramble me then. Not to mention, without Castform drawing you a lot of cards, who's to say that you will have that Raichu and Scramble exactly when you need it? Most people only run 3 Scrambles, which I would hope you aren't getting in your second turn hand every game. Even if you can Scramble turn 2-3 because I haven't laid the Beach yet, then what are you going to do? You can't lay a Stone after I drop Houndoom, and Raichu's Zzzzap looks so intimidating when I have Shady Move, not to mention the fact that you'll only get one Zzzzap off before I OHKO you. Continuing on, I like how you assume that the Banette player cannot set up multiple Banettes or OHKO the Raichus back. Banette HAS an answer for swarms; it IS a swarmer itself, you know. Maybe you win Arcanine, I have no idea. I do believe I stated in my original post that I had no experience with Arcanine, and I'd much rather you not tell me otherwise. All I said about the Arcanine matchup vs Rai/Eggs was that Arcanine outsped it, which even you yourself graciously confessed. Also, I like how you ignore my argument on a Nidoqueen-like deck. Queendom beat Rai/Eggs for a reason.

Cessation Crystal doesn't save the deck? Well obviously, there's nothing to be "saved". Since when does Eggs have a terrible late game? That's when it WINS its games! Slow? Have you heard of Scramble Energy?! Doesn't have anything on Banette? Really?
Terrible late game draws? Did you ever play with or against Rai/Eggs? Admin caused Rai/Eggs's so-called "good matchups" even to beat it. Why? Because Rai/Eggs had bad lategame draws. And really, from my experience with the game, most all decks draw dead late in the game, and I'm sure you know that as well. Poke-powers are what keep decks consistent throughout the match, and Rai/Eggs doesn't have that luxury. Scramble Energy makes decks fast... really? I thought Scramble Energy just eased your energy attachments, which is only one concept of speed. As I recall, not having to draw for 3-4 turns with Holon's Castform in order to set up is also considered speed.

Well I'm looking and I think it is the best in the format. Can you name a deck other than a Scizor ex that has a good matchup with Eggs? It doesn't need OHKO's buddy, because it SETS UP KO's
I can name a few. Salamence is definitely one of them.

Because you're going to automatically hit all your ER2's, Reversals while consistantly putting out 2 Banette exs early. Which, that is what you HAVE to do vs Eggs or you're just going to get Raichu swarmed to death. ER2's aren't nearly as big as you think either, considering Raichu D just discards the Scramble. You don't "slow down" a card that can just lay Scramble and OHKO your Banette (learn to spell).

Because you just call Raichus at will also? And plus, you took things way out of context here. This thread is not called "Rai/Eggs vs Banette." I believe I was answering someone who claimed that they could sac 2-3 pokes in order to set up to OHKO Banettes.

I think it's you that needs to take a deep look at Raichu/Eggs. There were barely any played at Worlds and the people who actually did play them took enormus bad beats. It wasn't because people "knew how" to play vs it that it didn't top cut. Now with it gaining Cessation Crystal, the addition of Copycat in FE as means to grab basically any card it wants out of a ton of cards, and a new sick, sick gym, plus the ability to go off vs anything with no admin in the format, not having to worry about its scrambles being admined away, Eggs has become the best deck. Don't even give me anything about these "new" Nidoqueen things either, please.
All of them took bad beats? Every single one of them? Are you sure? HOW can you be sure? Is this one account open to all people that played Rai/Eggs at Worlds? That statement is such a ridiculous assumption. Was Rai/Eggs the only deck hurt by Admin? No. So why does Rai/Eggs become the best deck when Admin leaves? Copycat helps pretty much every deck as well, but not to the extent of Rai/Eggs? I'd like to see this one be explained to me. And to wrap it up, why not talk about a "new Nidoqueen?" I'm guessing that you decided that you were beat, but you refused to give up, so you made a completely half-ass statement against one of my points in order to have some hope on winning it. True?


P.S. Kelly Clarkson sucks.
P.S. Your final statement was extremely ignorant. I really don't care whether or not you like Kelly Clarkson. I, however, do happen to like her music. Is it wrong for me to display an avatar and a short message to show that? Are we completely barred from personal opinion on this site? Also, by making such a statement, you are once again being hypocritical. You obviously think you are on "top of the world" (oh which, btw, isn't capitalized, why don't you learn some grammar?) if you think you can come in and state all your opinions as complete fact.


P.P.S. When I said "why don't you learn some grammar?" I was simply trying to show how stupid it was of him to try and pinpoint my spelling. I figure you could find plenty of grammatical errors in my above post, as well as others. I am not trying to call myself the "king of grammar" or anything.
 
LOLOLOL :D:cool: i smell a war here~ ;)

eggs.... might be good.... it isnt that bad as said by Whicker.... its still good too, but with cessation crystal coming( to help this deck) , another thing hits this deck AGAIN! ( guess what its crystal beach!)

and banette decks MUZ be using it! making eggs pretty worthless...

but banette also have weakness, juz to name some: shiftry ex, T1 umbreon ex , cursed stone...

finally, there's no need for war here~ ( remember that!;))
 
I think raieggs vs bannette will come down to whoever can hit CC or doom first...
 
i think both got good chances~

banette: speed!

raieggs: slower speed, but it can build up dmg to win in mid late game ( my friend used a zap turn dos, he got beated by eggs !!!!)
 
RE:  What Archetype will be best in the 06-07 season

TylerM said:
Cessestian Crystal doesn't hurt Banette ED....FYI...
WTF...unless theres another banette coming out, every banette in the format gets affected by CC..furthermore, I was refering to the doom lock against rai-eggs...But rai-eggs can still use lati@s lock.
 
I just do not see eggsachu becoming something really great this format. Yes they did gain CC but they lost Admin Which is a very important part of this deck. Also it is 2 slow banette ex and T2 Arcy can outspeed it.
 
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