Will sp pokemon take over?
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Toxitank is a decent sp deck but clearly not the best and I agree that sp decks will be much better when the next set comes out. I think the best sp deck in the current format is one that focuses on spread. Palkia G, Bronzong and gyrados work well together. Plus with rainbow you could conceivably throw in crobat or honchrow. The best thing about sp is that they are quick so in my opinion if you are an sp player and you play in long games you built your deck wrong because the with the build of the deck that shouldn't happen.
There are too many different decks and cards that give all those decks fits, every deck has it's weakness.
Saying "yea well if I draw this", or "play this", or anything like that is pure speculation, you'll never really know until game time what your opponent deck is capable of.
SP decks are good, Machamp decks are still good, no deck really lost anything in fact most decks gained or stayed the same, the only thing that happened is a new deck archetype became possible.
SP decks will be played alot, just like any new set, it has it's thing, it's new.
We'll see after the first week of states if there is any merit to SP, or if people are just going to play what they are comfortable with and tech against whatever they think they are weak against. Personally, certain techs make Machamp still playable and still able to take on SP decks. And Rampardos will give that deck fits as well since he's weak to grass not psychic, some people will play grass decks, and then some people will play fire decks, there are so many ways to go in this format, and SP is just not good enough to be "The Deck". Not yet anyway.
Saying "yea well if I draw this", or "play this", or anything like that is pure speculation, you'll never really know until game time what your opponent deck is capable of.
SP decks are good, Machamp decks are still good, no deck really lost anything in fact most decks gained or stayed the same, the only thing that happened is a new deck archetype became possible.
SP decks will be played alot, just like any new set, it has it's thing, it's new.
We'll see after the first week of states if there is any merit to SP, or if people are just going to play what they are comfortable with and tech against whatever they think they are weak against. Personally, certain techs make Machamp still playable and still able to take on SP decks. And Rampardos will give that deck fits as well since he's weak to grass not psychic, some people will play grass decks, and then some people will play fire decks, there are so many ways to go in this format, and SP is just not good enough to be "The Deck". Not yet anyway.
New mechanic that everyone wants to try, yeah they'll have some kind of take over.
Pfff. My deck focuses on nothing but the OHKO. Most people but a rather weak Rampardos deck that maybe hit 90/50 instead of 80/40 every now and then. Then again, I don't see a ToxiTank deck that OHKOs a Rampy either.d master342 said:
Rubbish. The only grass deck that's actually fast enough to be an auto-win against Rampardos is a consistent Scizor deck. Fire decks are virtually a thing of the past; only a few of them make up the metagame.Cirrus921 said:
Machamp is nearly dead. Both Rampardos and Kingdra are better donkers than something that can get ruined with a mere Unown. SP decks are fast, but I doubt that speed will get them very far. We'll just see where these new sets take us I suppose.
No love for Basics, Zyflair? =[
Anyway, I think that the SP mechanic will stop within the next few sets (The Delta Species only lasted for five sets, and four if you go by the Japanese order of the sets.) but SP Pokemon will still be popular for quite a long time.
Anyway, I think that the SP mechanic will stop within the next few sets (The Delta Species only lasted for five sets, and four if you go by the Japanese order of the sets.) but SP Pokemon will still be popular for quite a long time.
They won't be dominant, but they will be a large chunk of the metagame. The sheer speed that they have, along with the inventions allows them to have control over the opposition.
Luxray GL Lv.X beats Kingdra in a single shot with 2 energy on it, providing energy gain is attached. The fact that they lock Claydol, as well as play Marleys, allow them to never use the Claydol.
Gallade 4 Lv.X is another story. It and Raichu allow Gallade to do 90 damage for 2 energy, again with energy gain. The fact that you can simply Poketurn it away when it is in trouble, allows you to place a total of 40 damage with 1 Gallade.
Infernape 4 Lv.X is a beast with Level Max and Heatran. You can get T2 100 and 100 from there on. The fact that Luxray destroys Kingdra, means that Infernape has little no worry about.
Alakazam 4 Lv.X plus Golem 4 equals major damage with the Damage Porter TM. T2 110 is amazing, and Snowpoint allows you to reach that magical 130 mark.
SP Radar and Bebe's, Bebe gets reprinted in BET, allow you to get 2 SPs a turn. The fact that SP Radar isn't a supporter, allows up to 4, 5 with Bebe, in a single turn. That is pretty much all you need.
BET is the big boost the SPs need, and PotF puts them over the top.
Luxray GL Lv.X beats Kingdra in a single shot with 2 energy on it, providing energy gain is attached. The fact that they lock Claydol, as well as play Marleys, allow them to never use the Claydol.
Gallade 4 Lv.X is another story. It and Raichu allow Gallade to do 90 damage for 2 energy, again with energy gain. The fact that you can simply Poketurn it away when it is in trouble, allows you to place a total of 40 damage with 1 Gallade.
Infernape 4 Lv.X is a beast with Level Max and Heatran. You can get T2 100 and 100 from there on. The fact that Luxray destroys Kingdra, means that Infernape has little no worry about.
Alakazam 4 Lv.X plus Golem 4 equals major damage with the Damage Porter TM. T2 110 is amazing, and Snowpoint allows you to reach that magical 130 mark.
SP Radar and Bebe's, Bebe gets reprinted in BET, allow you to get 2 SPs a turn. The fact that SP Radar isn't a supporter, allows up to 4, 5 with Bebe, in a single turn. That is pretty much all you need.
BET is the big boost the SPs need, and PotF puts them over the top.
I thought there was only four, Blue Thunder. Delta Species, Holon Phantoms, Crystal Guardians, and Dragon Frontiers...That means that there may be another SP set if it follows the same way the deltas did.
Also, Zyflair, another Energy would be better than Cyrus. Although it is handy for nabbing a Supporter, you may not be able to play it in time. I'd say no Rampardos list plays it. :F
dmaster out.
Also, Zyflair, another Energy would be better than Cyrus. Although it is handy for nabbing a Supporter, you may not be able to play it in time. I'd say no Rampardos list plays it. :F
dmaster out.
I think that with the new sets SP will come close to taking over because not all of them will be G pokemon and alot of them also seem to fit in as nice techs. Also some SPs work well with other cards, i.e. Skuntank G with Muk PT or Mighyena PT.
Well lets consider next set. Everything is basically SP...so many tools and stadiums and powers and bodies to benefit SP pokemon...so YEAH!
Energy gain, Cyrus' C, SP temple, Skuntank G's posioning, more supporters and stadiums coming...
Dude, Turtank is gonna be sweet!
Energy gain, Cyrus' C, SP temple, Skuntank G's posioning, more supporters and stadiums coming...
Dude, Turtank is gonna be sweet!
Toxitank can already be a good deck with the right build, but we have two REALLY scary forces in coming sets: Dusknoir FB (potential 100+ for two?) and Blaziken FB (70 for 1 and burn? Without needing a Stadium, Energy Gain, and Skuntank G?).
An extra energy just means more rubbish for my Uxie. I only use Cyrus for the PokeTurn mid/late game and nothing else.d master342 said:
Yep, I'm very sure good ToxiTank list play alot of Crobat G/PokeTurn/Pluspower to consistently OHKO Rampardos, eh?PokeChamp said: