RE: PokeBeach's Official Ban List
Garchomp shouldn't be banned because it can be beaten, your exact words. Well Arceus shouldn't be banned because level 1 aron with endeavor can beat it in sand. If your Hydreigon is beating Garchomp you must not be facing Garchomp. You switch in Hydreigon, Garchomp Swords Dances. Now Garchomp outspeeds and uses Dragon Claw/Outrage and OHKOs your Hydreigon. That worked well. Part of the reason Garchomp is banned anyway is Sand Veil. Its already a hard Pokemon to counter and can dictate at least 1 spot of your team to stopping it. When that Pokemon misses because of Sand Veil now your entire team is dead. Sure, hax happens, but hax against a Garchomp basically guarentees a loss, and Sand Veil encourages hax. Next, I find it sad you are comparing Ninjask to Blaziken. Ninjask has base 90 attack and base 50 sp. atk. Blaziken has 120 base attack and base 110 sp. atk. Blaziken has base 120 fire STAB and base 130 Fighting STAB, two of the best attacking types in the metagame, as well as exellent back-up attacks in Earthquake and Stone Edge. Ninjask's Bug and Flying STABs are base 80 and 60 respectively, and it has no movepool for sweeping other than that. Blaziken also has decent 80/70/70 defenses while Ninjask has horrible 61/45/50 defenses and a plethora of weaknesses to common attacking types like rock, ice, electric, and fire. It also has a times 4 weakness to stealth rock, making it a poor choice as anything but a lead. Ninjask and Blaziken are as different as you can get, with the only similarities being their abilities. That's like saying that Aerodactyl and Dialga both have pressure as an ability and aerodactyl isn't that good so Dialga obviously isn't very good either. Next is your statement that bulky Hazers can counter Blaziken. The only bulky Hazer is Vaporeon, and it doesn't appreciate taking +2 STAB High Jump Kicks. I'm not going to run the calcs but its obviously a 2HKO on even the most physically defensive Vaporeon, and maybe an OHKO on some. Also, Vaporeon basically does nothing to anything meta except Blaziken, so you are spending a slot on your team to counter it. The same thing goes for Suicune, the best bulky phazer. Pokemon that change its ability...I'm not even going to answer this. If you can't find out why a Pokemon that is outsped and 2HKOed by Blaziken while only preventing it from getting speed boosts (which it can get when it switches out and back in again) is not a good idea then try thinking again. Also, every single Pokemon that can learn a sleep move is outsped and OHKOed by a Blaziken after a single turn.
AlphaNinja said:
Garchomp shouldn't be banned because it can be beaten, your exact words. Well Arceus shouldn't be banned because level 1 aron with endeavor can beat it in sand. If your Hydreigon is beating Garchomp you must not be facing Garchomp. You switch in Hydreigon, Garchomp Swords Dances. Now Garchomp outspeeds and uses Dragon Claw/Outrage and OHKOs your Hydreigon. That worked well. Part of the reason Garchomp is banned anyway is Sand Veil. Its already a hard Pokemon to counter and can dictate at least 1 spot of your team to stopping it. When that Pokemon misses because of Sand Veil now your entire team is dead. Sure, hax happens, but hax against a Garchomp basically guarentees a loss, and Sand Veil encourages hax. Next, I find it sad you are comparing Ninjask to Blaziken. Ninjask has base 90 attack and base 50 sp. atk. Blaziken has 120 base attack and base 110 sp. atk. Blaziken has base 120 fire STAB and base 130 Fighting STAB, two of the best attacking types in the metagame, as well as exellent back-up attacks in Earthquake and Stone Edge. Ninjask's Bug and Flying STABs are base 80 and 60 respectively, and it has no movepool for sweeping other than that. Blaziken also has decent 80/70/70 defenses while Ninjask has horrible 61/45/50 defenses and a plethora of weaknesses to common attacking types like rock, ice, electric, and fire. It also has a times 4 weakness to stealth rock, making it a poor choice as anything but a lead. Ninjask and Blaziken are as different as you can get, with the only similarities being their abilities. That's like saying that Aerodactyl and Dialga both have pressure as an ability and aerodactyl isn't that good so Dialga obviously isn't very good either. Next is your statement that bulky Hazers can counter Blaziken. The only bulky Hazer is Vaporeon, and it doesn't appreciate taking +2 STAB High Jump Kicks. I'm not going to run the calcs but its obviously a 2HKO on even the most physically defensive Vaporeon, and maybe an OHKO on some. Also, Vaporeon basically does nothing to anything meta except Blaziken, so you are spending a slot on your team to counter it. The same thing goes for Suicune, the best bulky phazer. Pokemon that change its ability...I'm not even going to answer this. If you can't find out why a Pokemon that is outsped and 2HKOed by Blaziken while only preventing it from getting speed boosts (which it can get when it switches out and back in again) is not a good idea then try thinking again. Also, every single Pokemon that can learn a sleep move is outsped and OHKOed by a Blaziken after a single turn.
