Why is Arceus having success at BR's

i can't possibly see arceus having much success with a well built machamp deck. I am not saying it is an auto loss but very hard match up to win. Lately ive been finding that it is really hard for sp variants to keep up with arceus as they will snipe all the garchomps when you put it down and if you send up Dialga or Luxray, they will just OHKO it with the type advantage. Quite annoying. Altho there are ways arceus can kill machamp in one hit, so can machamp and machamp is a tad bit faster.
 
Well then... I stand corrected. With a new fear of Mightyena LA.
 
A good machamp Deck will have one active and one on the bench. Most Arceus decks I have seen run 1-2 Psychic at the most. Which is the only thing that can OHKO a machamp. Even then only with Lucario or Meteor Blast or Psychic bolt.

Once the Machamp knocks out the two Psychic, it will be very hard to keep up as Machamp will be knocking whatever you bring up every turn.

As a Machamp player I will agree a bad start will hurt. In addition if Machamp deck is running techs then it will be slowed down significantly which means it can be beaten by SP or Arceus.

At this point I think the only really good Machamp deck is a straight Machamp deck. If someone is running straight Machamp with a lot of speed, like 4 unown r's and 4 candies, 4 BTS etc, then it will almost always beat an SP deck and Arceus Deck. Of course it usually loses to everything else.
 
^^True - but knowing that, how many players would run a straight Machamp? If you're going to be competitive with Machamp, don't you need to throw in techs to deal with the non-SP meta?
 
If Machamp gets 2-3 early KOs or has the 3rd Machamp they win. Otherwise, you have a chance. Vs Sp, it should be a sweep unless they get rid of your stadiums and able to get rid of the Arceus you need.
 
Seriously? We're debating how a basic Pokemon deck beats macheap? Hope the Macheaps don't get out fast enough, and if you're right, you win. If not, you lose. There's no thought to this...

Mightyena LA freezes you for 4 turns, and then you send up a basic Normal Arceus, wait for them to fail at life by Biting On, and level up to kill the mightyena off by either retreating if they can set up another mightyena, or killing it right there.

~L_X_F
 
If they can set up another Mightyena? I think a Stage 1 pokemon that only needs one energy to lock you is fairly quick on the set up. Also, the Mightyena player would be very silly to finish you off with Mightyena...I'd rather send out something like Umbreon which is much more expendable to give you grief with that.
 
Umbreon wouldn't do much against an Arceus deck. It cannot protect itself from {W} Arceus' Fastwave.
 
What I mean by setting up stage 1s if they can set up another Mightyena is if they run 2, they can't set up a third mightyena, or if their hand or field doesn't look promising of another Mightyena drop soon. You don't commonly see 4-4 Mightyena every/any-where. And true, no Mightyena finishes will happen, so assuming they don't have anything to ruin you for certain [Macheap for some reason, strange inability to lower your hand of trainers versus gengar, a gusting effect, etc.] you can play around the Mightyenas by sniping them/killing actives and not leveling the Arceus up.

Wait a sec. Who's running Mightyena anyways?

~L_X_F
 
Mightyena/Umbreon/Vileplume and Mightyena/Drapion/Vileplume are extremely formidable lockdown decks. At least in Masters they are. I might play one on Sunday...
 
Aha. Those sound pretty nice, actually. What about the macheap matchup for the Drapion version? I wanna know how that works out.

~L_X_F
 
Arceus all depends (in my opinion) if you can build a list consistent enough to achieve your goal by (at most) turn 3 and that counters your metagame, although I can only tell you I have had success with it in Seniors. Not sure about Masters. I usually find that 2 colorless Arceus with 4 Call Energy and 4 Pokemon Collector with a lot of searching trainers such as Beginning Door and Great Ball usually get me that Ripple Swell.
 
LXF, I personally would not know about Machamp vs. Drapion...but it's very likely that Machamp will suffer from Poison and the fact that Drapion is almost as good as Tyranitar for taking multiple prizes at once. I would have to test to make sure, but I don't know right now.
 
Ripple swell is all fine and good, but there are many times where going on the attack 2nd turn is far better. Sometimes, I play a number of turns ignoring ripple swell to take a few prizes, then hit ripple swell for 3-4 energy when there is some down time.
 
I seem to have a pretty succesful list. I only went 2-2 at my BR with it, but I was 2-1 and I faced Machamp... So, yeah... I actually could have beaten that Machamp if I just drew an Ultimate Zone one turn earlier to get rid of their BTS... But, the auto-loss played out anyway though I put up quite a fight. That person ended up topping with 3-1 and winning too... That sure made my day. :/ If anyone's wondering both games I won were against Sablelock and I lost a well-played game against LuxChomp on the second round. I took 6th (out of 12.)

I also beat a DialgaChomp that took 5th (3-1 but with a round 1 auto-loss so technically undefeated) with relative ease in a non-official game... *looks at Rikko145*

Also whether I get Ripple Swell or not the deck works plenty fast.
 
^

machamp was me. Meaty knows his arceus.

akreus as i like to call it is...

ehhhhhh....

a little incosistent and might not do enough damage.
 
Just went 8-2 at the local BR with arceus :) 1st ftw.
If played right it can do amazingly well. You just have to know how to do the TPoke/Trainer/energy lines right.
A thing a lot of people forget is that arceus needs no powers or trainers to set up which is why i thick it's viable in this lock centered meta.
 
Meaty said:
I seem to have a pretty succesful list. I only went 2-2 at my BR with it, but I was 2-1 and I faced Machamp... So, yeah... I actually could have beaten that Machamp if I just drew an Ultimate Zone one turn earlier to get rid of their BTS... But, the auto-loss played out anyway though I put up quite a fight. That person ended up topping with 3-1 and winning too... That sure made my day. :/ If anyone's wondering both games I won were against Sablelock and I lost a well-played game against LuxChomp on the second round. I took 6th (out of 12.)

I also beat a DialgaChomp that took 5th (3-1 but with a round 1 auto-loss so technically undefeated) with relative ease in a non-official game... *looks at Rikko145*

Also whether I get Ripple Swell or not the deck works plenty fast.
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You mean me? Yeah, Arceus is best against SP.
 
Nice job Porygon Z.0, that's what I like to hear. I agree about the trainer thing, I literally just run 4 Beginning Door, 4 Pokemon Rescue and 2 Switch. And heck, maybe if I had another 6 games at my BR I would have won them all and gone 8-2 1st place too. :p

By the way yes, I was talking about blargh257's Machamp and Azelf Master's DialgaChomp.
 
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